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Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« on: December 26, 2004, 10:52:16 »
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Since the lamps came with out bulbs can some one "inlighten" me Blink Blink!!on what bulbs to buy and how to install the bulbs in the fog light and city light they have two metal tabs that look like they need to be pulled away I do not want to break anything is this correct

Flasher/ Indicator: 12V 18W Type BA 15s (or 12V 21W? USA 78186).
Main Beams: 12V 60/55W H4 P45t.USA code 78155 (Hella 8GJ 002 525 131)
Parking Light: 12V 4W Type BA 9s. USA 78223 (Hella 8GP 002 067 121)
Clearance Light: 12V 5W Type BA 15s USA 78232 (Hella 8GA 002 071 121)
Fog Light: 12v 35W Type BA 20s (Hella 8GA 002 083 131)

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2005, 13:15:20 »
Naj et al:

I found the part numbers below (thanks Naj) on the search engine, but have found no distributors that have these bulbs for the sockets on my 64 230sl.  Does anyone have a Mercedes number that I can cross with my dealership?  Or, does anyone have a number/manufacturer that has netted them a recent purchase for a european headlight and foglight?

All the best,

Ed
P.S.  I have a call in to Hella headquarters, but have not heard back yet.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2005, 21:35:36 »
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Originally posted by Ed Fisher

.... but have found no distributors that have these bulbs for the sockets on my 64 230sl.
Search this site for Daniel Stern.  He sent me my halogen bulbs for my euro lights.  He said halogen can be fitted all around, even tail lights, with no concerns about wattage or heat.  Many people speak highly of him.  I'm not sure what brand bulbs you'll get from him, but they'll be good quality and correct for the application.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 06:16:29 »
Rodd,
Er you sure he didn't mean LED lightbulbs rather than Halogen light bulbs??

Reason being I have never seen low wattage Halogen bulbs suitable for rear lights etc.

As Naj has quoted note the wattages as lights have to be a certain  "brightness" depending on the application. Tis is required by law in most countries

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 06:16:42 »
Thanks Rodd.  Just contacted him by email.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2005, 06:35:25 »
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Originally posted by Malc

Rodd,
Er you sure he didn't mean LED lightbulbs rather than Halogen light bulbs??
Nope, it was halogen.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2005, 07:39:32 »
Malc,
 
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Er you sure he didn't mean LED lightbulbs rather than Halogen light bulbs??



I guess its time to come out and 'own up'!! :oops:

I have been using 6 watt halogen bulbs for front and rear parking (side ??) lights for about two years now. I got the idea from the front parking light on my W210 E320/E55. Thay are the same size as the BA9s but the 2 pins are not at 180 degrees - maybe 135/225 but they fit okay after a bit of fiddling on the rears. Fronts fit quite well, no trouble. I like them because the lights look as bright as modern cars - much safer in my view. They probably run cooler than tungsten bulbs I think.

Recently 5 watt halogen bulbs have become from Hella with 180 degree pins that swap straight with the original BA9s.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2005, 08:41:38 »
Naj or others, what would be the best way to get those "clearance" bulbs? -- I think I have tried old Star Quality, then Millers, then SL Classics again -- each time I ended up with "parking lights". Would I do any good at MBZ dealer with numbers in hand?

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2005, 09:03:55 »
James,

 
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the best way to get those "clearance" bulbs


Clearance Light: 12V 5W Type BA 15s USA 78232 (Hella 8GA 002 071 121)

Is this not any help?
My German is not good enough to tell which bulb is which.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2005, 09:05:30 »
Hi Naj, I guess I meant where as opposed to how...

Thanks.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2005, 13:07:07 »
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Originally posted by J. Huber

Hi Naj, I guess I meant where as opposed to how...
Again, for halogen, I would recommned Daniel Stern.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/

For normal lights, MB dealer is a little expensive ($2 for a $0.35 bulb), but it's easy if they have them in stock - call first.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2005, 13:18:58 »
Daniel Stern has bulbs on the way to Texas.  Thanks guys.  (they weren't 35 cents or even two dollars, but they are halogens).

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2005, 13:24:40 »
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Originally posted by Ed Fisher

Daniel Stern has bulbs on the way to Texas.  Thanks guys.
Ed,

For what application are you using the halogens?  Headlights? Signals? Taillights?

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2005, 03:17:11 »
Naj,
I remember the uproar when MB introduced the light bulbs with the offset pins instead of 180 degrees apart. At the time you had to get a replacement from MB who promptly ripped you off charging pounds for a bulb worth pennies. I remember Clarkson on Top Gear giving them grief!

I believe they have gone back to the standard style, is this true???

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2005, 04:17:14 »
Hi, Malc,

 
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I remember the uproar when MB introduced the light bulbs with the offset pins instead of 180 degrees apart.

I believe they have gone back to the standard style, is this true???




Not as far as I know. These offset pin bulbs are now used by other manufacturers too. The other day, I fitted daylite running lights to my wife's Golf and they use these bulbs as well.

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2005, 06:00:31 »
Rodd:

My application will be headlights and foglamps (euro style headlamp assemblies).

Ed

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2005, 06:19:12 »
Ed,
I'd be interested to know what halogen bulbs you get for the fog lights, please.
Thanks
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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2005, 06:29:16 »
Naj:

I am not sure that the foglamps are halogens, they may well be standard bulbs.  I will report back when I receive them.  Also, the socket type on my car, according to Mr. Stern, is P45t, not the P43t that I thought.  Still in learning mode...

Now for some time to get to the cleaning of those ground connections to see if I can get the starter to respond consistently!

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2005, 13:16:47 »
The confusion on the 2 bases is b/c the 43t is a standard H4 base , whereas the 45t is the actual original base for the tungstun R2  of the Euro lamp assemblies.
 Luckily for us with Euros, there was a market for H4 with a 45t base to convert many Euros up to halogen, so these special application lamps were made.
 Before these were made available, I remember when we used to dremmel the bases off the R2 and fixture them to the H4 to do the conversion..

 now you can get them lots of places for as little as $7 ea..  60/55 is more than enough .. the orig Tungs were only 45/40, if I remember correctly...

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2006, 13:51:22 »
The Osram P45t bulbs that I received have an opaque top to block the light path.
Can anyone tell me please whether this means that I should remove the baffle in the reflector that blocks the light emitted from the regular clear bulb?
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2006, 17:06:40 »
Yes, you no longer use the old shields.
 The replacement Halogens have the shield built in to the lamp.
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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2006, 21:47:14 »
Cool!  I didn't know that.  I have the new lights (they are wonderful!) and I left the original shields in.  I will have to try it without the metal shields.

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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 08:44:04 »
I'm coming late to this discussion; sorry about that, but I was just directed here by someone who had some questions about the matters being discussed.

I'm not sure how Mr. Dalton arrived at the idea that it is beneficial to remove the bulb shield when installing the halogen bulbs. It is not! The bulb shield does a much more effective job of blocking upward stray light than the blacktop on the bulb does, and the bulb shield does this helpful thing without blocking useful or usable light. There is no benefit to removing the bulb shield; all you'll do is create more glare (for other road users) and backdazzle (for yourself in rain, fog, and snow). Definitely leave 'em in!

Original R2 headlamp bulb wattage was indeed 45/40 (high/low), and halogenisation bulbs are available in that wattage, (http://store.candlepower.com/48-121.html) but the standard halogen H4 wattage of 60/55 on the P45t base is also available as p/n 48884 (http://store.candlepower.com/48-884.html), and the wiring in these cars, if in good condition, has no trouble handling it.

The 5w BA15s-base clearance lamp bulbs are easy to find. Their international type ID is W5W, and you can often find them locally in a plain ol' parts store as a p/n 5007 or 17125.

As for the original 18w BA15s bulbs used in the front & rear turn signals, the brake lamps and the reversing lamps: these functions can safely be made 60% brighter by substituting a P3497 bulb (http://store.candlepower.com/p3497.html).

An H6W halogen 6w bulb as mentioned by Naj is too bright for use as tail lamps; you don't get the necessary intensity contrast between the tail and brake functions. Also, their filament isn't in the right orientation to work correctly with the optics of the tail lamp, and there's also the nuisance of having to grind down one of the index pins. A type 3886x (http://store.candlepower.com/38xefiinpala.html) is a better choice for the tail and parking functions. It's a 6w Xenon-filled bulb that has the correct index pins and filament orientation, has an extremely long life, and produces 85 lumens (compared to 25 lumens for the original and 125 lumens for the H6W).

The fog bulbs are indeed nonhalogen units. There are handmade halogen bulbs offered, but they're very slow sellers; most people figure they're not worth the trouble or expense, and they're probably right

--Stern (hope it was OK to put in those links...)  :D

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Re: Euro Headlamp Bulbs
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2007, 16:57:07 »
Hello, --Stern,

Welcome and thanks for further enlightening us  8)

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