Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: dldubois on May 03, 2017, 18:47:12

Title: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: dldubois on May 03, 2017, 18:47:12
Anyone know where to get the tension bolt?   It's a dang bolt and its still over $100 from the classic center.

Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: Tyler S on May 04, 2017, 01:32:43
A little better in price but you would need to research the shipping cost.
http://www.theslshop.com/mercedes-benz-w113-pagoda-sl-230-tensioning-bolt-for-pas-mounting-bracket.html
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: Benz Dr. on May 04, 2017, 03:23:17
You could make one by using a 6mm screw and welding a washer to the end of it. The part in question is little more than that.
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: dldubois on May 05, 2017, 00:07:21
Thanks Tyler.   With shipping that's just over $42.    A lot better than $120 from the classic center.   Just got to confirm its the same on the 230 vs 280sl
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: dldubois on May 08, 2017, 13:24:45
Do you all know if the part is the same on all 113s?    The SL shop has it but says it for a 113 through 1967.   I've got a 69 SL.    I'm trying to get ordered but seem to be confusing them as they don't seem to understand what I'm talking about via email.


Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: Val on May 08, 2017, 16:27:18
SLS in Germany only show one part number for the bolt. They are normally pretty accurate.

http://www.sls-hh-shop.de/main/en/mercedes-230-280sl-w113-/46-steering/46-d-steering-gearbox-fluid-pump
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: 114015 on May 08, 2017, 22:53:51

Yes,
this has also been my understanding so far that the parts are identical.

At least they look identical on my '64 SL and the 1971 sedan. :D

I'll chekc back with the EPC.



Achim

Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: TheEngineer on May 08, 2017, 23:46:22
come on guys! You can make one! A file, a vise and a welder. Go to your local blacksmith if you can't handle it. It's not worth your time to order it from the stealer.
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: Tyler S on May 09, 2017, 05:07:05
Or buy this and grind the head width down.
https://www.mcmaster.com/#3800k17/=17jnoj8
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: TheEngineer on May 09, 2017, 20:04:21
You do not have to use M6 (metric thread). 1/4-20 threaded rod works just fine but use a 14-20 nut
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: dldubois on May 10, 2017, 14:32:27
I will be creating shortly.    stay tuned
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: 114015 on May 11, 2017, 01:59:39
Quote
You do not have to use M6 (metric thread). 1/4-20 threaded rod works just fine but use a 14-20 nut

Nonsense. :o
Must be metric, no inch stuff on MB passenger cars, please. >:(
Highly non-original and value diminishing. Don't do that. :-X

If you want, I make you one of metric leftovers I have in my garage.
Just takes a bit,   being extremely slow . :D

Let me have your address though - via PN

Achim
(welds sometimes ...)
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: 66andBlue on May 11, 2017, 03:15:57
Nonsense. :o
Must be metric, no inch stuff on MB passenger cars, please. >:(
....
Oh oh, Achim, hold your horses .. or should I write "get off your horse"?!  ;)
The power steering pump was made by Vickers and as Larry once typed:
"The pump was made by Vickers in the UK and the only imperial bolts in the whole car are the 4 which hold the two halves of the pump together, .."
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=13008.msg89097#msg89097

Thus, having a fifth part that is part of the PS pump set-up and not metric wont diminish the value the slightest bit.

Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: mbzse on May 11, 2017, 08:45:03
Quote from: 66andBlue
.../...The power steering pump was made by Vickers and as Larry once typed:
"The pump was made by Vickers in the UK.../...
Yes, right...   Just to add some more facts to this, it was designed by Vickers Inc. pump company in Detroit, USA (had nothing whatever to do with the UK Vickers company in Sheffield), and manufactured (as we see on the plate on the pumps) in a Vickers Inc. plant in BadHomburg, Germany
See this old posting:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=12850.0 (https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=12850.0)
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: 66andBlue on May 11, 2017, 15:16:02
Thanks for the link, Hans!
I knew we had this discussion before but I could not find the thread when I searched yesterday.
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: TheEngineer on May 11, 2017, 19:36:05
As I can recall (and my memory is the second thing that went) the washer is oblong with a 6 mm hole and spot-welded to the squished portion of the shank of the threaded rod but the rod has no threads where the washer is welded to it. You should engrave the MB part number on the un-threaded portion. It can be very small so that I could not see it with my diminished vision.
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: 66andBlue on May 11, 2017, 22:18:19
Do you all know if the part is the same on all 113s?    The SL shop has it but says it for a 113 through 1967.   I've got a 69 SL.    I'm trying to get ordered but seem to be confusing them as they don't seem to understand what I'm talking about via email.
Dana,
no, there were at least two different parts.
On a 230SL the power steering pump was p/n 127 460 05 80 and it came with clamping screw p/n 180 466 00 74.
Later on (unfortunately I don't know when) the pump became p/n 127 460 12 80 and the clamping screw p/n 180 466 01 74.
In any case the part was also used as a tensioner for the alternator on Finntails.
I believe ( = not sure!) the earlier clamping screw was a bit shorter and perhaps skinnier than the later one.
Here is a photo of the later screw.
Title: Re: Power steering belt tension bolt
Post by: dldubois on May 18, 2017, 21:59:41
The one available was 180 466 01 74 which would be the later version.    I found it for $40 US including shipping versus the $100+ at the classic center.   We will remain original.