Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Question and comments on Originality => Topic started by: MikeSimon on December 19, 2023, 20:44:34
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In Germany it became mandatory to carry a first aid kit in your car, at one time in the 70s. I believe after production of the W113 ended. I saw a "holder" for a first aid box supposedly for a W113 offered for sale. My car never had one and I do not see it as an option for a W113. Does anybody know anything about this?
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Maybe that was a dealership item? For sale for any model at the time?
There are a few discussion on our very own forum.
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=20821.0
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In Germany it became mandatory to carry a first aid kit in your car, at one time in the 70s. I believe after production of the W113 ended. I saw a "holder" for a first aid box supposedly for a W113 offered for sale. My car never had one and I do not see it as an option for a W113. Does anybody know anything about this?
Mike, we know a picture from W113 sales brochure showing this bracket and box. It was in Hans’ post. I will dig for it when I have a minute.
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My '65 230SL is a Germany delivered car.
When I acquired "Sadie" it came both with the yellow-cased "Warning Triangle" required by Germany TUV and the "Tack on Blue" fitted First Aid Kit (Verbandskasten). Both were mounted in the boot using a heavy magnet on the forward boot wall, connected to nylon strapping.
The Winter 2005 Pagoda World notes in an article by Michael C. Egan (230/250/280 SL Optional Equipment) "The First Aid Kit was a tack on blue container usually mounted on the inner side wall behind the passenger seat."
Picture of mine attached. Incidentally, mine is all written in German and luckily has never been used, completely intact
jb
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I am familiar with the First Aid Kit box. I have one also. These were usually NOT delivered by the factory, but had to be purchased by the owner, together with the 'warning triangle", usually in a yellow plastic case. I also have an original 280SL sales brochure which does not have a picture of a first aid kit box holer nor does it mention one in the list of available accessories.
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I have been on the search for a green plastic Hartmann first aid kit for a while. The holder as far as I am aware is the same in the 107 and 113. I have read conflicting info on which first aid box was correct for what year.
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Here is how the first aid box and its pocket/cover topic looks like from parts list perspective:
113042 - no mention
113043 - it is there for W113 under Panelling
We have two parts numbers for pocket
A 111 680 55 58, SA 55739 where you could pick leather on leather imitation trim and
A 113 680 00 58, SA 55739 - with pocket and imitation leather trim (so we have something for W113)
Then for the first aid box
A 000 865 00 50 replaced by A 000 865 08 50, active part numbers, under SA code only (55739) and it may come, depending on SA number extension from "With pocket less trim" through all kinds of trim, leather and leather imitation and two kinds of pockets.
It is further replaced by A 000 860 02 50, same SA but with option added to possible configurations "with bracket less trim". It is still available today, no idea what you get.
113044
as in 043 we have two parts numbers
A 111 680 55 58, SA 55739 where you could pick leather on leather imitation trim and
A 113 680 00 58, SA 55739 - with pocket and imitation leather trim (so we have something for W113)
and then further for the pocket, active, NLA
A 115 865 02 55, cover, SA 55739 with a lot more options, including panels with stereo, RHD, LHD, trunk, A/C, etc. - apparently for more car models. There are two lists of SA code extensions.
For the first aid box we have A 000 865 00 50 replaced by A 000 865 08 50 replaced by soft sided A 000 860 02 50 each with two sets of SA 55739 extensions.
I would conclude:
1. There was a set dedicated to W113 in 113 043 times.
2. Then it was merged with sets for many other cars. If we went into r107 I am sure we would find these parts. Multiple types of first aid boxes, multiple brackets.
3. Very difficult to say what type of box might have been used late for 280SL.
As for the pictures: below are links to threads with them. One is provided by Hans and one is a link to thread where 49er is referring to special equipment catalogue from ca 1966. I also agree with Kevinc's view there that black/green box may be fine for early 70ies.
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=15568.msg106882#msg106882
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=14898.msg101955#msg101955
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These are option code 222 and later 631, for all models including Pagoda's
https://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Accessoires_1063engels.html
https://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Accessoires_ca66NL.html
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These are option code 222 and later 631, for all models including Pagoda's
https://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Accessoires_1063engels.html
https://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/Accessoires_ca66NL.html
Fantastic materials!!! Thank you!
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Hello Pawel, don't tell anyone, shouldn't be in this post, but brochures for your 190SL as well
https://oudemercedesbrochures.nl/190SL_300SL.html
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What brochures? ;)
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Though it doesn't address the original post, thought some would enjoy seeing what the contents of a (my) tack on blue kit look like.
jb
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I've seen pictures of the holders wrapped in mbtex in the Pagoda but not often, I saw one mounted on the passenger foot panel on the right wall at one point. The correct first aid kits for the Pagodas should be the Hartmann Green or Blue Kraftwagen Verbandkasten in plastic, I think the older metal ones might be correct for the early 230's but I don't really know. I do know that the Black kit with the Green crosses are correct for the post 1971 Benzes and common in the R107's and sedans. Pics below. I have a couple of each.
Mike Mizesko
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I've seen pictures of the holders wrapped in mbtex in the Pagoda but not often, I saw one mounted on the passenger foot panel on the right wall at one point.
Yes, in the second post of the thread I linked above. Did nobody read through that?
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Circling back to Mike Simon's original post:
'"In Germany it became mandatory to carry a first aid kit in your car, at one time in the 70s. I believe after production of the W113 ended. I saw a "holder" for a first aid box supposedly for a W113 offered for sale. My car never had one and I do not see it as an option for a W113. Does anybody know anything about this?"
Can those who own '70's Pagodas (assumedly only Germany cars) post some pix of their "proper" holder" If his statement about only being mandatory in the "70's, (in Germany.) is correct
If so, I would guess no 230 nor 250 (Germany car) would have come or had a first aid kit, nor bracket.
yes?
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My car is a September '66 or there abouts 230 SL ordered new in Germany and has option 222 (First Aid Kit) on the data card.
Attached is a picture of the holder (my car was optioned with Bronze brown leather from the factory) which does not appear to have been messed with.
Now time for me to find a First Aid kit to go inside it!
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More pics.
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Mike is correct, first aid kits were mandatory by the TUV in 70s in Germany, so if you were a resident of Germany your car would have to have the kit and safety triangle. Cars made for German market might have these items with them when you purchased the car after mid 70s. MB had these items available. I owned a W107 while I lived in Germany during the 80s and those items were in my SL. When I purchased my German spec Pagoda, these items were included, however the triangle was from a German aftermarket supplier. Pagodas made for US market of course did not have these items because DOT did not require them. A side not the TUV now requires an orange vest to be in your car, and you are to wear it when outside car when car is disabled.
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the recent replies to First Aid Kit has prompted my inquiry: Has anyone ever seen the holder for the first aid offered anyplace? Particularly interested in one that would hold the tack on blue kit
jb
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John, my holder is a MB part. The number is 115 865 025 5. It’s possibly you might be able to source from a MB dealer ordering it, or try MB Classic Center. Kits should be the same size, so holder would work.
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You can also try eBay. I just did a quick search on "Mercedes vintage first aid kit" (without the quotes) and got a bunch of hits for the kit itself, with one hit for the holder for a 107 body. I don't know if that is the same piece or not. These were behind the seats in the 107. You would need to check the part numbers.
Set up a saved search with alerts and a dollop of patience and you might find what you are looking for.
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The A115 865 0255 may not be available from MB any more (it is no more available here), but there are plenty of them on ebay and they are not expensive as they were used for many cars for many years.
What is hard to spot is the correct box...
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I agree with Pawel, the kit tray for the W107 is the tray that would have been available for the Pagodas back then thru MB shops.
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fyi
From:171-classicparts@mbusa.com
To:sandeeshoes@verizon.net
Thu, Aug 22 at 12:33 PM
THAT IS CORRECT 115 865 02 55 NO LONGER AVAILABLE
Also thank you Jonny B for the recommendation, not successful so far, the search continues
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Hello, you could ask this seller what the part number is, might be lucky
https://www.fourbyfourclub.com/W460BodyParts/W460FirstAidKitBracket.htm
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"If it's not correct, then its not correct."
I have the nylon pouch version from my aunt's 1985 300D...
Don't know that I'd trust anything in it. I can't recall even unzipping it to look! ;)
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Just wanted to share with you guys my kit which i also believe was an add on and was period correct.
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Nice!
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https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/atq/d/tampa-vintage-german-medicine-kit-metal/7786024341.html
In case anyone is looking for something period to the early 60s, I saw this on Craigslist... I believe this is for VW and Porsche products, though. Nonetheless, it looks nice!
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Took better pictures of the First Aid kit and warning triangle and wanted to share
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More pictures
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More pictures
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For sure the warning triangle is correct. I have the same one myself, in my European spec Pagoda. These warning triangles were monitory, you had to carry one in your car while living in Germany.
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I would never criticize anyone's efforts to restore a classic car to its original condition. I did it once. I was very proud of it but found it frustrating to spend much more time keeping it in show(ish) condition than enjoying driving it. And, I couldn't drive the prizes.
I currently give priority to making my late-1966-built Pagoda as beautiful, as safe, as comfortable and with as much modern car functionality and convenience as is reasonable without being flashy.
I also installed a first aid kit. I do not remember where I bought it but it is only two or three years old and quite complete. The mounting system photos that I had seen in this site reminded me of something non-medical and non-automotive. So I designed a
five-sided box to fit the first aid kit, cut it out from some heavy cardboard, folded and glued it into a holder for the kit and upholstered it with left-over leather from my car interior. I attached it to the carpet with velcro on the bottom and a plastic push-pin fastener on the kick-panel side. I expect most people who don't own a Pagoda would not know that it's not "correct". After all, the car is 58 years old.
In the end, it goes well with my new-condition 1960's five-piece blue vinyl Pierre Cardin luggage set that is the same color as my upholstery.
Tom Kizer
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Was there a holder for a right hand drive car ?
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These holders have fixing holes on both sides, so can be fitted on left or right footwells
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Thanks Bob, is the outer surface the same both sides.
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I don't have one, but if you look at the images, see reply #12, it looks the same on both sides, but i'm not sure if the part number and star was printed on both sides though
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The MB Star and the part number is only stamped on one side, if on LHD be on passengers side of footwell hidden towards panel, or on RHD would be showing on passengers footwell.
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Does anybody have one dedicated for a RHD car or isn't there one.
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As BobH said, holes on both sides so that you can attach to LHD or RHD foot wells.
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I would have thought the holes are to facilitate a screwdriver for fixing and the logo and a different part number for RHD would also be concealed. So I am at the moment thinking there is no RHD holder.
Thank you for your help
MP