Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes => Topic started by: Garry on April 09, 2008, 17:49:58

Title: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Garry on April 09, 2008, 17:49:58: I have been offered a zf 5 Speed gear box for my car but the part number is 117 261 1201 and I am uncertain if it is suitable. I have not been able to find anything on the net,

Anyone know if that is suitable. It was on a 108 3.5 but I believe it was swapped out to that car from an unknown source.

Garry

Garry Marks
Australia
69 280SL Manual
02 320ML
05 A200
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: George Des on April 10, 2008, 04:38:18: Garry--the ZF 5 Speed that will fit the 113's is the ZF S5-20. This same model ZF 5 speed transmission with a different shifting mechanism and other mods was used on several Maserati models of that era as well. I do not know of any other ZF 5 speed transmissions used in the MBs of that era.

George Desiderio
1967 230SL Italian w/ZF 5 Speed
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: pagodino on April 10, 2008, 06:13:08: Hi, this is not a ZF box, it is the G76/5-MB Box for V8 engines.
ám still looking for one!!!!

If you want to make a 5 Speed transforametion I would succest this:
- Getrag 265 Box-BMW E9 5-6-7-series ´80
- Adapterplate (i finisced allready the form, I can make others if you want- Watercuted 20mm steel- 4 x 2 holesin 10 mm (M10)
- Speedo-dreive adapter (about 120 Euros)
- W111 fintail -kardan-to cut
- 2 metal adaptation-plates for teh 2 BMW Bushings
- Pilot-guide in the flywheel to reduce diameters.
- Simple 2 stainless stells guides for the gearschift-lever

Thats it, the best- AMG-Dortmund (Laufer) did the same in the late ´70!

If you can provide me the adesse of the G76/5 owner

Pagodino p.welte@virigio.it

Pagodino
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Garry on April 10, 2008, 06:44:08: Thanks both Pagodino and George for that information.

I want to fit the 5 speed ZF as my data card shows that the car was originally built with one but has had it changed to a four speed sometime over the years so am on a hunt for one anywhere in the world. The info on the ZF S5-20 will help and I am told that Italy is one of the most likely places that I will find one. I am going there on 6 May to stay for a couple of weeks staying near Pisa so will be on the look out for one whilst there on holiday.

Pagodino,
The one I have located here in Australia with that part number is in Queensland and the Wrecking Yard was asking $1000 Aust Dollars for it. I have a number for the person but no email address at this point. I am happy to get one for you if you are interested.

Let me know and I will ask for the email address.

Best wishes
Garry

Garry Marks
Australia
69 280SL Manual
02 320ML
05 A200
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: George Des on April 10, 2008, 11:43:36: The PO may have swapped it out either because of the non-availability of critical repair parts or because it was an easy way to make some substantial cash. The ZF S5-20 boxes are very difficult to come by and when they do surface, they command a high price.
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Garry on April 23, 2008, 06:06:59: Can anyone tell me from the attached photo if this is a ZF S5-20 gear box. I do not have a part number and this is the only photo i have
Thanks
Garry

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Garry Marks
Australia
69 280SL Manual
02 320ML
05 A200
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: waqas on April 23, 2008, 08:03:11: [updated post due to correction by Hans and Dan above]

My only reference for the S5-20 gearbox is this set of pictures (not my pictures):

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Waqas in Austin, Texas
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: mbzse on April 23, 2008, 13:48:14: quote:
Originally posted by Garry

Can anyone tell me from the attached photo if this is a ZF S5-20 gear box.

Yes Garry, it looks indeed as if the photo depicts a ZF S5-20 box, suitable for mounting in a Mercedes

.

/Hans in Sweden
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Benz Dr. on April 23, 2008, 15:34:48: It's your lucky day. I have one so I kind of know a bit about them.
The part number you have sounds like a 107 280SL number. I'm not sure what the 5 speed box part number from benz would have been.
Only about 850 113's had these. They were also used on 108, 109 and some 111/112 coupes/cabs.
MB has one of three 300SE Cab's ever produced with a 5 speed. I'm sure it's worth a fortune.

Dan Caron's
SL Barn
benzbarn@ebtech.net
slbarn.mbz.org
1 877 661 6061
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: drmb on August 17, 2008, 02:35:18: Garry - I recently purchased a ZF S5-20 with all other parts to convert from 4 speed in NewZealand after searching the world for a long time,makes a 280sl a good cruiser.

Lloyd Marx
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Garry on August 17, 2008, 03:58:38: Still looking, all finds so far have fallen through either already sold or not the right box.
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: gary ensor on September 07, 2008, 10:56:11: ZF-5spd parts. Check out ebay #140263929
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: gary ensor on September 07, 2008, 10:57:29: correction to ebay number 140263929883
Title: Re: 5 Speed Gear Box
Post by: Garry on September 07, 2008, 16:20:58: Thanks Gary,

Have looked at these before when last time listed. Made him a lower offer that was not accepted. Also discussed with Dr Benz, Dan and agreed that it would be just as hard to find a bell housing as getting the innards only on offer here. Also the hardening is a complete unknown.