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Photo Gallery / Re: Pagoda's on the road
« Last post by AndrewB on April 03, 2025, 18:42:43 »Beautiful day to be out in a Pagoda
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Photo Gallery / Pagoda's on the road
« Last post by EeVeeWee on April 03, 2025, 18:01:32 »Yesterday I saw a dark blue Pagoda during driving and today this 250SL, both in Germany.
I had the luck today to stop behind it, so I could take a picture.
I had the luck today to stop behind it, so I could take a picture.
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Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes / Re: ‘69 280sl - Rough Idle/Rough Running
« Last post by Bonnyboy on April 03, 2025, 16:52:04 »You note you cleaned the fuel pump-have you measured the amount/volume of fuel returning to the tank to make sure its up to spec?
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Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes / Re: ‘69 280sl - Rough Idle/Rough Running
« Last post by mdsalemi on April 03, 2025, 16:33:18 »Check all the plugs, wires, and wire ends (plug connectors)
If rough running I bet the plugs are fouled; not necessarily the cause of your problem but it's not going to run properly with fouled plugs OR with a bad wire or connector.
If rough running I bet the plugs are fouled; not necessarily the cause of your problem but it's not going to run properly with fouled plugs OR with a bad wire or connector.
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Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes / Re: ‘69 280sl - Rough Idle/Rough Running
« Last post by Lori on April 03, 2025, 16:06:48 »Sounds similar to when I woke up my car from its 12 year slumber.
After initial start, have you tried to adjust the idle air screw?
Have you tried leaning out the fuel injection pump idle adjustment?
Have you checked the fuel injectors? After sitting, they are likely to have an erratic spray pattern.
Also, have you look at the linkage adjustment tour?
https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Restricted/Linkage-tour
After initial start, have you tried to adjust the idle air screw?
Have you tried leaning out the fuel injection pump idle adjustment?
Have you checked the fuel injectors? After sitting, they are likely to have an erratic spray pattern.
Also, have you look at the linkage adjustment tour?
https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Restricted/Linkage-tour
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General Discussion / Re: 5 speed
« Last post by zoegrlh on April 03, 2025, 14:30:23 »Changing the rear end will make a difference too.
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General Discussion / Re: Insurance weirdness.
« Last post by zoegrlh on April 03, 2025, 14:13:12 »Michael, look at State Farm, they write a classic car policy with an agreed upon value. As long as it’s stored in a garage, but what Pagoda wouldn’t be. Semi annual $160 with $100,000 agreed value. Which reminds me I need to call my agent to up the value again.
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General Discussion / Re: Tracking History of NATO Car
« Last post by zoegrlh on April 03, 2025, 14:05:01 »I agree with you Sam, car was most likely brought back to Canada upon Capt Lavoie’s return after duty with NATO forces. I would try to do a search for that name living or did live in Canada. Also then look up Kron. Got to be a way to do that.
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General Discussion / Re: Really Early W113 Photo
« Last post by zoegrlh on April 03, 2025, 13:41:44 »Photo looks like it was taken at the New York Auto Show (63’ or 64’). Max brought those cars over.
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Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes / ‘69 280sl - Rough Idle/Rough Running
« Last post by cjpoulos on April 03, 2025, 13:07:40 »Hey all. I have a 1969 Mercedes 280sl that I brought home in June of ‘24. I’ve been chasing down some demons ever since I took ownership, and I like to think that I’m mechanically able. I’m having some pretty tricky rough idle and rough running (when it feels like running) issues. I’ve search through the forums and pieced together info on many issues, but I felt like it would be worth it to make this post. This car is verified to have only 14,800 original miles, but it was stored nicely in a garage in non-running condition for 25+ years. It’s in amazing shape cosmetically, but it’s not the best mechanically at the moment. I’d love some advice on changing that last part!
Here’s a list of the engine related work I’ve done minus a few things:
Replaced Fuel Tank
Cleaned Electric Fuel Pump
Replaced All Soft Fuel Lines/Filters
Cleaned Hard Fuel Lines
Verified Functionality of CSV
Valve Adjustment
Valve Seals
Compression Test - All cylinders hold about 160psi
Cooling Channels Cleaned in Block
New Water Pump
Throttle Linkages Are to Spec
Valve Timing and FIP timing are set to correct spec
There’s lots more necessary work that’s been done to revive this car with the goal of preserving it and ensuring it’s health for many miles to come.
Now, the engine cranks well. It will typically start quickly on the first go. It idles POORLY (makes a deep rumble too). Maybe sitting at about 500rpm idle, does not like to rev up, and does not smooth out at higher revs. It tends to die after about 30 seconds. At a second attempt, it cranks but doesn’t start, although it tries. By the third attempt it only cranks. I don’t crank it for very long obviously, but I can’t figure it out at this point! The plugs are fouling with carbon very quickly, they’re gapped to .030, and black after maybe 30 seconds or running. I know these cars like to running rich, and maybe it’s just because there is excessive fuel when attempting to start, but that seems like a short amount of time to foul plugs.
Like I mentioned I’m an able mechanic and like to think that I’m not a hack, but this car is kicking my ass! There is also some fuel in the distributor vacuum line if anyone has some special knowledge on what that may cause.
I’m definitely missing some info here and I would very much appreciate some advice - and if I mentioned something that you know to be very wrong, please tell me! Thanks!
Here’s a list of the engine related work I’ve done minus a few things:
Replaced Fuel Tank
Cleaned Electric Fuel Pump
Replaced All Soft Fuel Lines/Filters
Cleaned Hard Fuel Lines
Verified Functionality of CSV
Valve Adjustment
Valve Seals
Compression Test - All cylinders hold about 160psi
Cooling Channels Cleaned in Block
New Water Pump
Throttle Linkages Are to Spec
Valve Timing and FIP timing are set to correct spec
There’s lots more necessary work that’s been done to revive this car with the goal of preserving it and ensuring it’s health for many miles to come.
Now, the engine cranks well. It will typically start quickly on the first go. It idles POORLY (makes a deep rumble too). Maybe sitting at about 500rpm idle, does not like to rev up, and does not smooth out at higher revs. It tends to die after about 30 seconds. At a second attempt, it cranks but doesn’t start, although it tries. By the third attempt it only cranks. I don’t crank it for very long obviously, but I can’t figure it out at this point! The plugs are fouling with carbon very quickly, they’re gapped to .030, and black after maybe 30 seconds or running. I know these cars like to running rich, and maybe it’s just because there is excessive fuel when attempting to start, but that seems like a short amount of time to foul plugs.
Like I mentioned I’m an able mechanic and like to think that I’m not a hack, but this car is kicking my ass! There is also some fuel in the distributor vacuum line if anyone has some special knowledge on what that may cause.
I’m definitely missing some info here and I would very much appreciate some advice - and if I mentioned something that you know to be very wrong, please tell me! Thanks!