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ja17

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2004, 00:36:46 »
Hello Cees,
Thanks for the added information! I updated the chart.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2004, 10:52:33 »
Hi Joe - do you know what the extra "E" after the customary "E 9.5" could signify?

Cees Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
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1969 Mercedes 280 SL automatic
1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2004, 18:18:50 »
Hello Cees,
I don't have any idea what the "E" signifies on these heads, possibly a minor production change?

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2004, 08:26:56 »
quote:
Had I been using coolant and not water on the Red Rocket the engine would be toast.


.......Why ??

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
'03 CLK Kompressor

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2004, 09:19:36 »
Hi Joe- Better late than never:

Head CN 127 016 19 01
Compression E 9.3
1966 230 SL, Euro(Italian), 5 Spd ZF
Original engine 227566 km/+/-141,318 mi.
Regards,    -JP-
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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2004, 08:17:23 »
Thanks for the input Jim,
It looks like pkiefert has the only 9.5 compression 230-SL head so far.


Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

knirk

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2004, 10:07:52 »
Hello Joe,

Here are the Norwegian numbers:

Engine   #: 130 983 1200 4621
Cyl Head #: 130 016 07 01
Comp. 9.5, 280 (only)

I know it has the early type head gasket since I made a complete engine overhaul 2 months ago.

Per
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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2004, 22:56:17 »
Thanks knirk,
It seems that the early 280 engines used the same parts USA or Euro models. Did you do the engine work yourself?

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

knirk

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2004, 03:03:19 »
Hi Joe

Yes I did everything myself. When I was a young longhaired hippie some 27 years ago I had several 61-65 220sb cars. To hold on to the girls I needed at least one operational at all times – hence a lot of time in the car shop. The Pagoda is so similar that I didn’t hesitate for one second when the job was needed.

The 280sl was imported from the US about two years ago. I don’t know it’s history since only the original owner was shown in the documents. I expected that the 93.000 miles showing was more like 193.000 since the engine block had been previously bored. The cylinder block showed very little wear. The smoke and oil use came from worn valve guides and valve stems. Since I had the engine and gearbox out (also to paint the engine room and overhaul the power steering), I changed the valves and valve guides, all the bearing shells, piston rings and timing chain with guides. I had a shop measure all the parts and I also used them to install the new valve guides and to hone the cylinder walls. The valve seats were like new.

I got all the engine parts from SLS (sls.sparebase.de). They use prices 30-50% below Norwegian MB dealers. Total sparepart cost; about $ 2.900.  Engine shop; $ 480.

Documentation: I used the BBB and Haynes Owners Workshop Manual. I also read Chilton’s “Engine repair and rebuilding” guide beforehand to gain some confidence. It could be done with the Haynes book only.

The most difficult work: Reconnecting the hysterical amount of tubes and cables. They cannot be marked good enough! I have all the options like AC and Cruise Control so there is a lot of plumming.

The most exiting work: The fitting of the timing chain on the camshaft sprocket. The sprocket index didn’t match exactly when the chain was installed – so I wasn’t 100% sure that I had selected the correct position. Same with the refitting of the fuel injection pump. A little hard to see if the alignment marks are positioned correctly before installment. But it was!

The most boring work: Cleaning, cleaning and cleaning. I used a rotating nylon brush on the engine exterior, and a wire brush on the parts. I found very good use of the Dremel micro tool for the really small brushes for those hard to reach corners like the combustion chambers and inside the manifoil.

The most fun part: Going out in my garage, put on some music and start fiddeling with the car – it’s the best recreation. And finally after months of work when I started up for the first time and it run like a big cat.

Per Gunnar Birkeland
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69 280sl US, aut 834 Moss Green


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knirk

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2004, 06:05:13 »
Forgot to mention that I also changed the piston rings. They were among the most expensive parts at $ 724 for a complete set of 87.5mm rings. There were 4 rings for each piston, but I only needed 3. I guess the newer engine version uses all 4.

Per

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2004, 07:36:21 »
Hello Per......your car look lovely .....great colour !

Any chance of a few photos of the interior ?  I havent seent hat colour on the seats before...........and being Irish I'm partial to a bit of green !! :)

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
'03 CLK Kompressor

tuultyme

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2004, 07:46:30 »
I too am partial to green, not Irish; lovely car.  What is the top color?

Bruce; Blaugrun(green) 1970 280SL; IL

knirk

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Re: Group Project, fill in the blanks
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2004, 02:40:59 »
Hello Ben and Bruce

I have tried to upload some interior pictures, but get a server failure message every time. In the meanwhile I can tell you that the car and hardtop was repainted just before I bought it with 834 Moss Green metallic. My insurance guy claimed that it should not have been metallic for this year’s model. He also kicked about my tyres that are 205/70x14 and not the original 185x14. But I got the insurance anyway. The interior color is also 834 and the soft top is 747 dark green.

Per