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jsaylor

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Undercoating
« on: June 11, 2005, 03:29:28 »
Having just had new floors and rocker panels instaled I'd love some input on the best undercoating  solutions for my ;65 239SL.  Any input would be appreciated,

Thanks,

Jim Saylor
Kauai, Hawaii
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2005, 04:55:16 »
Hello Jim,
Be sure to clean the welds and bare metal with a wire brush or by sanding. Use a good rust inhibative primer on any bare metal. The Eastwood Company carries many restoration products. Also Rustoleum "rusty metal primer" is a  good product (available locally) and will brush on easily. Use a finish top paint over primer then  undercoat the areas. The factory used an "body schultz" (speeling?) which was a water based, thick, rubberized undercoat. A special "body schultz gun" is used to get the exact original texture. This product will accept a finish paint topcoat. The special gun is fairly inexpensive.  I have used the Seikens  "body schuttz" which I have been told was an original manufacturer for Mercedes. It worked very well and when using the gun the texture was perfect.
I have also used the 3M rubberized undercoat in the past. It has it's own applicator built in the aeriosol cans. The texture is not quite correct but it is a good product.


Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2011, 01:19:05 »
JOE,

dO YOU KNOW A SUPPLIER FOR THE "BODY SCHULTZ"?

RON GRICIUS
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2011, 04:55:46 »
Hi Ron, I have seen a version of Body Schutz (from schutzen -- to protect) available at most automotive paint stores. 3M I think. There was just a thread discussing Wurth undercoating which may have been the true original material. The 3M looks to be close enough.
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 16:10:16 »
I think Wurth Undercoating is still available.  Check in the web, for Worth products.
Bob
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 12:33:04 »
Wurth is no longer available. There were a few cans on Ebay last week but they are gone.
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 13:03:43 »
Quote from: zoegrlh
I think Wurth Undercoating is still available.  Check in the web, for Wurth products

I found this link for Wurth in the US:
http://www.servicesupply.com/
On this link, choose your country:
http://www.wuerth.com/web/en/wuerthcom/wrthweltweit/wrthweltweit_1/groupaddresses.php

These products below is what I use. I do not know if all Wurth Product ID are available in all markets
The rubber-based undercoating is Product No 0892 010
A good protective undercoating wax to go on top is Product No 0892 079

/Hans in Sweden
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2011, 22:16:53 »
any  photo from  original  pagode. . .  or  any  from  congours  restore. .   l
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2011, 23:00:21 »
Quote from: georgefirst on January 15, 2011, 22:16:53
any  photo from  original  pagode. . .  or  any  from  congours  restore. .  

Here is the underside of an original 280SL, off the Motoringinvestments.com website
Note the light body-schutz with remains of wax overspray (the dark brown areas), as
well as the basic primer grey-brown showing in the transmission tunnel area, and red spray unevenly
dimming and becoming less, from the sides towards middle of car.
Note: exhaust pipes have been renewed (replaced)
/Hans in Sweden

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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2011, 01:18:01 »
Hi--

Check out this 3M rubberized undercoating in Beige.

http://www.autobodytoolmart.com/3m-rocker-schutz-beige-08874-p-11268.aspx

I haven't used the beige, but the black is great stuff.


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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2011, 21:31:55 »
    WHO  KNOWS  THE  ORIGINAL  THINK FOR UNDERCOATING. .
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2011, 22:20:28 »
For my 1971 280 SL project  I used a different 3M product for the undercoating.  It's called 3M 08800 Sprayable sealer.
It is best applied with a special spray gun from 3m(shown in the link) that gives a crinkle effect and with some practice you can
create a texture similar to the factory undercoating.
It's an amazing 2k product superior to anything else I've tried from Wurth and others.
Not cheap but worth it.

http://catalogue.3m.eu/en_eu/eu-aad/Sealers/3M_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer/Two_Part_Sprayable_Sealer~08800
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2011, 18:05:37 »
  THIS  PHOTO  IS  FROM  MECHATRONIK  GERMANY.  HAT  ABOUT THE  UNDERECOATING US U CAN  SEE..
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2011, 20:47:16 »
The BBB lists the underbody protection as being "Teroson Caoutchouc Underside Protection Antirombo 2021" , I did try to find out more about this but did not get very far. I ended up using http://www.wurth.co.uk/catalogue/pdfs/UK-CD_08_0566.pdf , this gave the closest finish to the original
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2011, 05:57:16 »
Hello hkollan,

That looks like factory texture to me! Very much the same as the Sekkens Product I used to use with the special spray gun

Joe
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Joe Alexander
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1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

hauser

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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2011, 05:07:50 »
The spray on bed liners seem to be pretty popular and so far I've only heard good things about it.  Anyone try any of this on their under body?
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2011, 15:42:51 »
I have considered Dupli-Color Bed Armor.  It is water-based polyurethane with Kevlar.  It would be exceedingly durable.  The downside is it is only available in black but it is paintable.
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2011, 22:34:02 »
Quote from: Raymond on January 23, 2011, 15:42:51
I have considered Dupli-Color Bed Armor.  It is water-based polyurethane with Kevlar.  It would be exceedingly durable.  The downside is it is only available in black but it is paintable.

I think that bed liner might be a bit too stiff. MB undercoating is pretty pliable stuff that I have yet been able to duplicate. Texture duplication is a challenge but possible with several different products out there.
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2011, 19:36:55 »
That's the difference with the Dupli-color stuff.  It's a water-based paint with Kevlar in it that remains pliable. 
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Re: Undercoating
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 00:11:41 »
Quote from: Raymond on January 29, 2011, 19:36:55
That's the difference with the Dupli-color stuff.  It's a water-based paint with Kevlar in it that remains pliable. 

Well I might have to try it out then!
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