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vapour lock problems
« on: March 06, 2011, 18:15:49 »
i already own and drive 280SE Coupes for 30 years, and the only serious problem I had with them was fuel supply, specifically the fuel delivery pump.
Mercedes replaced the original tall dry motor pump with a shorter type , claiming that it was an improvement. I claim that this was just a recall, and they were forced to improve the tall pump after numerous vapour lock claims. I actually had this problem with three different cars, and it always turned out that the old
original tall pump with still installed. The new design short pump has a bypass connecting back to the return line and to the tank. This gets the developing bubbles in the fuel out of the impeller chamber, so it does not "lock" the flow of the fuel to the injection pump. Vapour lock develops on higher elevations, warm weather and low fuel level in the tank, this all when accelerating fast for passing or sporty driving.
I recently bought a 230SL 1966 with a 280SL engine. When checking the car I noticed that the old tall fuel pump was still in, and the previous owner
drove the car 500km/year around town and very slow, so never noticed problems.  I do not have the car yet at home, but what is the experience with 280SL's
and old type fuel pumps? I was curious if I have to buy another pump (very expensive)because the position of the gastank and fuel line length tank/pump also influences the development of vapour lock. The set up for this in the SL's is different from the Coupes.

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Re: vapour lock problems
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2011, 16:17:08 »
Hello Cess,

The fuel in these systems continually circulates back to the fuel pump.  This helps prevent vapor lock as the cool fuel supply will help cool the elec fuel pump, and injection pump. In addition, as The Benz Doctor (Dan C) has pointed out it the past, the "flower pot" or swirl tank in the fuel tank, also helps cool the fuel supply. Fuels with high alcohol contents will vapor lock easier since the boiling point can be lower.  The large spacer between the injection pump and the block is actually a insulator to keep excessive engine heat from the injection pump which could cause vapor lock. 

One should always make sure to have the correct return fitting/regulator on the injection pump to correspond to its correct electric fuel pump. If the fuel pump by-pass is connected then the return vavle should have no vapor hole. If the fuel pump by-pass is not connected, the return fitting should have a vapor hole (BBB 07-16/1)

Good fuel pressure and volume also circulates an adequate cool fuel supply which also helps prevent vapor lock.

Interesting observation on the early and late pumps!

 
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

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Re: vapour lock problems
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2011, 22:27:19 »
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your comments. I made sure that the pressure regulator was correct and changed it when changing the fuel pump. I am still talking about
the 280SE Coupe . i was very interested if these vapour lock problems happened in the 113 types. I bought this 230SL with a 280SL engine, but the fuel
delivery pump in the car was still the old "tall"type. I am very interested now if I am running in problems with this 280SL, 130 BM, engine and the old delivery pump without bypass. It could be that it has to do with this "flower pot" swirl in the fuel tank !! Can you tell me where I can find info about that?
Thanks

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Re: vapour lock problems
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2011, 23:37:24 »
Cees, check out the fuel section of the Technical Manual  (http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Fuel/Tank). 
Marcus
66 230SL  Euro 4 speed

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Re: vapour lock problems
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2011, 17:05:35 »
hello Jordan,
Thank you for the referral. Very interesting. It seems that the SL's did not have the vapour lock problems the 108's had. Great, I am encouraged.
Cheers