Author Topic: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete  (Read 13206 times)

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« on: March 06, 2011, 14:05:52 »
I'm pleased to say that the restorations on my car are 98% complete. Radio refurbishment and wood refinishing are all that remain. I drove the car this past week and it is a real dream! I can't say enough good things about Brian Peters of Motoring Investments in San Diego. He and his team did a phenomenal job on the metal repair, engine and interior work. Everything true to the factory. I highly recommend him.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

66andBlue

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Solana Beach
  • Posts: 4735
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2011, 18:45:20 »
Hi,
I bet you can't wait having it back in Ohio when Spring arrives.
Nice color combination - what is the paint code number?
Alfred
1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 01:18:05 »
You are spot on! I'm not sure on the paint code. I'll get back to you.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

MichaelB.

  • Guest
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2011, 00:48:36 »
Very nice. Looks like 181 Light Beige  8)

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2011, 13:55:04 »
It is 181 Light Beige. I really like the color. At some point I will replace the cognac leather. The dash and door panels (original to the car) have lost the raised texture but, are still in excellent shape. Having said that, I saw a completely restored cognac leather interior the other day. Absolutely stunning! Something to look forward to.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

pj

  • Full Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • Canada, ON, London, Ontario
  • Posts: 561
  • 1965 230SL
    • my home page
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2011, 14:43:07 »
Yes, it looks lovely. When you say "replace" the cognac leather, do you mean with a different colour, or because it's worn out one way or another?
Peter J
1965 230SL #09474 named Dagny
2018 B250 4matic named Rigel

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2011, 20:36:33 »
I will replace it with new cognac leather because it is faded. In order to get the color lots to match, I would do all the leather at once.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

badali

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, Pa, Butler
  • Posts: 1067
  • 1966 230SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2011, 23:46:06 »
There is an article in the new MBCA Star magazine showing new cognac leather...
Brad

1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic

JamesL

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • United Kingdom, London, London
  • Posts: 3610
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2011, 11:22:25 »
I luurrvve my Cognac - not much I would trade it for and against a "white" car it's stunning, as it is against something like black or dark blue

James L
Oct69 RHD 280 in DB906 with cognac leather

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2011, 12:42:27 »
Indeed!

badali, thanks for the heads up. I've been so busy, the new issue of the Star is still in the plastic. I'll definitely take a look.

Tosh, your car has a great color combination. What's the paint code?
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

Iconic

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, IL, Highland Park
  • Posts: 1203
  • ex-Membership Administrator
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 12:57:13 »
Tosh,
Great perspective.
What a treat to see it that way.
The lines look good from any direction.
Thank you for posting that picture.
1970 280 SL Automatic, USA version, Grey-Blue (906G/906G), Blue leather (245)
1968 SS396 Camaro Convertible (owned since 1977 -- my first car :D)
1984 Porsche Euro Carrera coupe, LSD, SlateBlueMet/Blue
1998 BMW M-Rdstr Estoril Blue
1970 280 SL Automatic, Anthracite Grey-173G, Red Interior-132 - sold

Ulf

  • Associate Member
  • Gold
  • *****
  • Denmark, Fredericksberg, Rungsted Kyst
  • Posts: 838
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2011, 13:04:50 »
Light Beige was the original colour of my car (now 180 Silver), and it sure looks great - just out of curiosity, what about the last 2% of the restoration? ;-)

Ulf
1965 230 SL in silver (DB180)
1982 Land Rover Series III SWB
2008 Jaguar XF 3.0
2005 Mini Cooper

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 17:40:09 »
Ulf,

Radio was sent to Becker Autosound for refurbishment and the wood work is being refinished.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

114015

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Tecklenburg
  • Posts: 2080
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2011, 21:18:33 »
Quote
Tosh, your car has a great color combination. What's the paint code?

DB 906 - babybluemetallic  :D

Great color tone!

Quote
I luurrvve my Cognac - not much I would trade it for and against a "white" car it's stunning, as it is against something like black or dark blue

Not to forget 158, of course.


A.
(with 114015 158H with interior code 250)
Achim
(Germany)

114015

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Tecklenburg
  • Posts: 2080
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2011, 21:46:20 »
Quote
I will replace it with new cognac leather because it is faded. In order to get the color lots to match, I would do all the leather at once.

Of course you are not going to listen to my 2 cents ... :D
but if so:

Don't replace factory original cognac 250 ! Never! Never ever! (Unless it is really cracked/broken) :o :o

Always keep it as is. Slightly aged or faded  cognac is even far more beautiful than new cognac.
There is absolutely nothing that can top that.

Below is a friend's stunning SL with perfect surviving cognac 8006, interior code 250. Could not be better.

If I were you ... live with your leather as is.
When the time comes you should look for a shop which can really refresh/re-dye/work up old leather correctly, e.g. with the Leatherique products or so. But take you time, no hurry here! Look for a shop with lots of experience here.
You will never forgive yourself once you have "thrown out that ole leather". You would heavily regret it in a couple of years.
Therefore, keep your old cognac leather.


Achim
(with factory original 12 year old cognac 8006)

Achim
(Germany)

JamesL

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • United Kingdom, London, London
  • Posts: 3610
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 07:21:16 »
|I got lucky - mine was a restoration done using the old cognac. I was told that due to whatever reason, the look/feel of the newer cognac is different to that of the old. I am sure Health & Safety was mentioned

And Achim is right: db906
James L
Oct69 RHD 280 in DB906 with cognac leather

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 15:09:07 »
Achim,

The leather on my seats has the raised texture and pattern that the cognac leather is known for. Those were replaced about 15 years ago so are not original to the car. My dash and doors are original to the car but, have faded an lost the texture (who wouldn't after 41 years!) but, the leather is in very good shape. No rips or tears. See photo. I would love to keep the original leather. Are you saying that the original leather can be restored and reconditioned to look like when it was new (or almost)? That would be excellent!

 
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

114015

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Germany, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Tecklenburg
  • Posts: 2080
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2011, 23:46:14 »
Hello 71 (BTW, what's your real 1st name?),

Ah yes, I see. Your seat covers are new, the rest is not.


Well, when saying "the raised structure..."

Quote
The leather on my seats has the raised texture and pattern that the cognac leather is known for.

... you are certainly referring to the two-tone pattern that the cognac 8006 (interior code 250) has.

Cognac and one dark brown (I believe it must be dark brown 248, see our WIKI) are two-tone leathers (and the corresponding MB-Tex is too, at least for the cognac).
This is the main difference to all other leather colors. The basic color of "cognac" is bamboo 8011 (code 249) or something very close to it (see WIKI again).
Now, all MB leathers of those years have a grain structure imitating the skin's surface of the cattle they were made of. Of course this grain pattern is not exactly natural but was "stamped in" with a tool during the leather tanning/manufacturing process. The natural surface itself is smoother.

Anyway, the basic color of cognac is bamboo or something similar and the top of the grain is "dotted" with a reddish-brown color which makes the cognac unique and so beautiful.

With the years and the use of the cars, this top color of the red dots wears off, especially on the seats were the owner is constantly rubbing on with his pants etc. This is the kind of patina on old MB passenger cars that true aficionados love so much and which can basically never be matched exactly again.

In summary: old cognac wears and ages in a different way than the other leather colors: old cognac changes its appearance more and more towards "bamboo" with increasing age. Having said this, you will certainly understand that it is extremely hard to match old and new cognac to each other.
It "is" theoretically possible (by manually painting, dipping or coarse spraying) the reddish-brown top color to the bamboo base color in order to come as close to the sprinkles as it was when new.

Specialized shops can do that (better or worse), so it's definitely worth to look out for other people's recommendations here. But beware, normal interior shops can not! They can only replace old by new; that is what 98% of all shops do. Renovating is a much, much tougher job here; so it pays off if you are patient with looking for the right one.

As I mentioned, most aficionados "love" old cognac (if it is not cracked at least) and mostly much more than new cognac. There is nothing more "typical and characteristic" than well-aged factory-original leather in a classic Mercedes and well-aged cognac can do that best, better than all the other colors. This is both a blessing and a curse at the same time.

To conclusion, it will be hard to give the old cognac a surface or look again like "new cognac", not completely impossible but tough.
The easier way is to protect it well, take care well of it but to leave it as is ... and if you want to match ... perhaps "optically age" your new cognac seat covers by wiping off some of the sprinkles (alcohol (ethanol) works well...; ask me how I know ...).
But I would always recommend to get a professional do that kind of job.

Oh boy ...
good luck !
I am facing the same problem with my sedan's four headrests.

Best,
Achim
Achim
(Germany)

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2011, 13:27:29 »
114015 - My real first name is Charles.

Achim - Many thanks for taking the time to educate me on the finer points of cognac leather. I really appreciate it. Since I just bought the car and had restoration work done, (BTW, the picture I attached was pre-restoration) I'm going to take my time and do things right. I plan on keeping and enjoying this car for a very long time!
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

dseretakis

  • Guest
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2011, 00:19:11 »
Yes that cognac leather is extremely beautiful.

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2011, 12:32:22 »
I can't seem to stop tinkering with my restoration. While waiting on the radio to come back from Becker, I had the front black grill repainted (You can see from my picture that started this thread, it had some chips). I'm thinking about having a passenger side rear view mirror added. Anyone recommend against it? Expensive? I miss having that mirror for safety reasons. Not to mention the added symmetry.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

dtuttle123

  • Guest
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2011, 13:28:56 »
There's another thread going on now about adding the passenger side mirror - you should scan for than, and other posts.  My personal experience is that it does look cool (symmetry) but it's hard to see/use without twisting your neck.

71Beige280SL

  • Associate Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, OH, Madeira
  • Posts: 365
  • 1971 280 SL
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2011, 13:32:03 »
Thanks Doug Will do.
- 1971 280SL Beige/Cognac Leather
- 2024 Mercedes GLE 350
- 2024 AMG C43 Sedan

Naj ✝︎

  • Associate Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • United Kingdom, Surrey, New Malden
  • Posts: 3163
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2011, 13:42:10 »
On the later cars with the non-swan neck base, the mirror can be fitted in the same place as the driver's door mirror, and I am a fan!
I would suggest changing the flat glass to a convex lens.

Naj
68 280SL

dtuttle123

  • Guest
Re: 1971 280 SL Restoration 98% Complete
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2011, 13:47:16 »
Good point Naj!  I was speaking from the early style mirrors with the swan neck.  The convex lens would help. 

I keep looking around in my car for that switch that can remotely adjust the mirrors - but then I remember that I'm driving the W113.  I also keep looking for the outside temperatrure gauge - but again - wrong car!  ::)