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Re: Keys....
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2011, 18:06:35 »
Hello George,

Well, the truth of the story of the tumbler barrels is: they are not designed to (be disassembled).  8)
Rather these were designed to be replaced by a new unit (e.g. new door handle with tumber barrel). ;D

When new the five little brass lock pins (for the old style sytem until 1967) were pressed in together with their little coil springs into the tumbler barrel and fastened/punched/sealed with a kind of hammer stroke.
You can see this stoke on the top surface of the diecast tumbler barrel after cleaning the barrel with some detergent/gasoline etc. 8)
 In old tumber barrel assemblies these often break open themselves and the lock pins and springs can/will fall out ... depending on the remaining amount of grease or dirt.... :o
Theoretically you can break this kind of "seal" and replace/rearrange the lock pins but it is a bit tricky. ;)

But this doesn't help you at all if you don't have the correct lock pins for your new (or desired) key. You "could" theoretically fabricate yourself one out of a couple of donor parts but still those won't be like new as these tumbler assemblies wear out (heavily) with the years/decades/half centuries... :(

Perhaps a good (and specialized) locksmith can help further.

Good luck and keep us updated

Achim
(has not had much luck with his used lock assemblies)
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Re: Keys....
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2011, 18:21:29 »
Achim,

Thanks for the reply. I've got a 1967 230SL. I went to a locksmith yesterday with my gas cap and trunk lock expecting I would be able to at least get them on a common key with the door locks. What we found out is the key profiles were all different so we hit a dead end immediately. When I got home I played around with the keys a bit and found that the key profile for the gas cap--a replacement- and the glove box are exactly alike even though the gas cap was provided new with a key that has a rectangular head. Exploring further, I recalled that I had replaced the trunk lock some years back because the attaching bolts were torqued off when I removed it for the restoration. Fortunately, I kept the old lock and lo and behold, the glove box lock and the old trunk lock use a common key. I removed the barrel from the old trunk lock assembly and replaced the barrel in the "new' trunk lock housing. So now, I'm down to 4 keys--one for the ignition, one for the door locks, one for the gas cap and one that operates the glove box and trunk. If I can figure out how to re-pin the gas cap--it uses the same key profile as the trunk and glove box--I can get this down to three keys and I'd be happy

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Re: Keys....
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2011, 19:03:49 »
Yes George,

That's correct. Well observed. And congratulations to your solution so far with changing (back) the tumlber barrel of the trunk lock. :D

By the way, the shape of the key head (round or square) does only indicate where it goes (K = Kofferrraum & Handschuhfach, trunk & glove comparment and T = Türen & Tank, doors & tank) but the keys themselves are more or less identical. This indicates that a given door key, let's say TA 046 would be able to unlock a trunk with the number KA 046 and so on.

As to your problem, yes, that is the biggest challenge, to find the correct lock pins (tumbler pins, "Zuhaltungen" says Valeo (= succeeding company of YMOS) to them).

It is not easy to get these parts since those are lock items and thus sensitive parts .... :o

There are (MB-)specialised locksmiths who can do that, e.g. like the "Sleutelprof Luke"
http://www.keyprof.com/index.php
http://www.keyprof.com/en.index.php
in Holland
but there are certainly others.

At least that's the way I want to approach this; I haven't done yet. 8)

Best,
Achim
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Re: Keys....
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2011, 20:04:13 »
With regard to the boot barrel is it possible to remove the chrome outer shell (the part that holds the tumblers) so that it can be re-chromed,on my vehicle the chrome has worn away with use.
Eric

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Re: Keys....
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2011, 20:45:14 »
Eric,

I'm trying to figure that out as well. I'd like to exchange the barrels and use the chrome piece that I got with my newer lock assembly for the very same reason. I played around with these this morning and gave up after a while. Did not want to break anything!  I've got an e-mail into Joe Alexander since he has worked with these locks. Hopefully the two can be separated so the barrels can be changed out.

George

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Re: Keys....
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2011, 19:23:09 »
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With regard to the boot barrel is it possible to remove the chrome outer shell (the part that holds the tumblers) so that it can be re-chromed,on my vehicle the chrome has worn away with use.

Dear Eric, George,

Yes, that is possible. ;)
I've already done that with one of my door handles. Pretty decent outcome. 8)
However, this effort depends on the condition of the part; consider please it's zinc diecasting.
If the part is too heavily coroded/pitted, it will not come out nicely from the rechroming process.

Yes, it is easily possible to mix the parts from different (trunk lock) units. ;D

Good luck!

Achim
(keeps original trunk lock assembly together with a few exchange parts)
Achim
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