Author Topic: Could it be "vapor locke"  (Read 3799 times)

ptruty

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Could it be "vapor locke"
« on: May 28, 2012, 01:27:34 »
After two years of sitting idle got a major tune up for my 1964 230 SL.  Runs like a swiss watch.  After a long run 30+ minutes or stopping to refuel, I cannot get it restarted until it sits for 30-40 minutes.  Has anyone had this  problem?  It is very frustrating and leads to distrust on taking it for much needed drives.  It has always had this problem.  Help?

glenn

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Re: Could it be "vapor locke"
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 15:07:52 »
Sounds like the 'crud in the tank'.   Crud blocks the refilling of the quart sized plastic vessel in the tank.  Do a 'search' for a mountain of info. ..

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Re: Could it be "vapor locke"
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2012, 14:41:02 »
If you have fuel, and spark the engine will start.  Check for spark first. New ignition points sometimes "seat" and close up. Re-adjusting them solves the problem. If you have spark, try a shot of starting fluid to diagnose the problem. If the car start right up your problem is fuel related.
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Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
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enochbell

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Re: Could it be "vapor locke"
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 15:44:55 »
...and if you follow Joe's diagnosis and find that the shot of fuel works, then you can remedy by adding a manual CSV actuator.  I had the same problem in my '64, it would not start "hot" (after running for 10+ minutes).  I just installed a discrete (under dash) pushbutton wired to the CSV to allow momentary actuation of the valve.  Problem solved...inelegantly...but solved.  I believe this problem is common in early 230sl models, and that later versions of the starting systems corrected for it.

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Re: Could it be "vapor locke"
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2012, 18:00:52 »
You may have a slow-turning starter contributing to the problem.  They draw a lot of current, leaving little for the ignition and the fuel pump, and the mechanical pump is turned too slowly to deliver enough fuel to get past the vapor lock. 

I worked on a 250SL with this problem, and a rebuilt starter cut the hot start time from 10-15 seconds to 2-3. 

The solenoids on these starters have a terminal to output battery voltage while cranking, so you can run a wire from that terminal to the + side of the coil to provide a hotter spark when cranking.
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Re: Could it be "vapor locke"
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2012, 05:04:11 »
Also the later W113 starters had 40% more horse power than the early starters. Use the later starter if you have a choice.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback