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URO fan clutch?
« on: August 10, 2013, 16:37:23 »
Hi all,

My car is currently equipped with a Meyle fan clutch that I installed two years ago. Though it engages correctly at higher temperatures, I feel it stays engaged too high in the rpm generating a very loud propeller noise. AutohausAZ seems to only carry the URO fan clutch these days. Though I had terrible experience with URO rubber parts quality, I’m wondering if this is also true for their fan clutches? Does anyone have any experience with URO fan clutches?

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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2013, 00:25:24 »
GGR, The Benz Dr. installed a VISCO Fan Clutch on my car last week, works fine again. I had a overheating problem (always creeping into the red water zone). Now holding steady at 180 F.  Are we talking about the same clutch?
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2013, 03:33:54 »
Yes, we are talking about the same. But I'm having the opposite problem. Yours was not engaging anymore while I feel mine stays engaged too high in the rpm inducing a strong propeller noise. What is the brand of the clutch you had installed on your car?

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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 20:00:53 »
I replaced mine w/a Behr from Classic center. $$$ but works fine. No experience with URO.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 23:33:12 »
What is the brand of the clutch you had installed on your car?

All I know Benz Dr. shows it as VISCO clutch on the invoice, so I assume the make is VISCO.

Hope this helps.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 00:31:57 »
I googled it and VISCO seems to be a brand. I did not know about it.

This afternoon I fitted the fan and the clutch which are on my Coupe and it couldn't keep the car cool in traffic while the coupe has no problems. So I reached the conclusion that the radiator may need a recore. I will have that done this winter.

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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2013, 23:32:25 »
Visco is short for viscous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_clutch
nice picture of the fan with viscous clutch.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2013, 00:29:53 »
GGR , Did you check your coolant before you drained it to compare the strength? Also perhaps you like to first change the thermostat (not too expensive a fix) before you have the radiator re-cored. Would be my recommendation.

I too overheated driving 65 to 70 MPH also in city traffic. Mind you the ambient temperature was in the 80's then (now much cooler). Since I had the clutch fan replaced the coolant checked (prior to draining it ~ result was poor strength for the coolant) and the thermostat change (79 F type) all is well now in cooler weather (ambient around 60 to 70) the water temperature holds steady at 180 F (no longer creeps to the read zone).

I will leave it at that for now, next year if I see problems I will have a back flush done on the cooling system before I consider a radiator re-core. Just thought I share my condition with you on my 280 SL.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2013, 01:26:04 »
Garymand, yes, visco is short for viscous, but it also seems to be a brand: http://www.behrhellaservice.com/Channels/Products/Cooling/Visco_Clutches/Visco_Clutches.jsp though the page is part of behr and hella services.

Rolf-Dieter, My care doesn't overheat on the highway, even with high external temperatures. It overheats in slow traffic. I am indeed going to change the thermostat. But what made me think the radiator is not up to the task is that I switched the fan clutch from my coupe and the pagoda was still overheating while my coupe, with the same engine, is not overheating with that very same fan clutch.

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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2013, 13:52:24 »
We did four things on Dieter's car. Changed the coolant, changed the thermostat, replaced the fan clutch, and we added water wetter to the coolant. I found that the coolant strenght was kind of low and it was tuning acidic so it had to go. I'm pretty sure the thermostat was original because it was the old brass type that's hasn't been used for years. The fan clutch was quite loose and I could move the fan in or out an inch or more. Dieter had his own water wetter and I poured the whole bottle in with the coolant.

We used MB coolant for this job. The company must have changed the formula a little bit because it was clear until recently. They added a blue dye to it which I think is a good idea because I'm sure some places would have thought you were running pure water just by looking at it.

I bought some test strips for checking coolant and I really like them. The ones I had been using before gave me coolant percent and acidity but these new ones also give me alkline content. So instead of the usual two places to read the strip now has three. You simply dip it into the coolant in your raditator and then compare the colour on the test strip to a graph on the bottle they come in. I dipped one into fresh coolant so I would have a base line sample.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2013, 14:50:00 »
Hi,
Please read SteveK's experiences with overheating: www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=13088.0
My 2 cents to this problem: If yours overheat in stop-and-go traffic, it needs more pressure from the fan. Try a 8 (280 SL US with AC; na) or 9 (still available; needs some modification) blade fan. Therefore a lot of people install an (additional) electric fan.
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2013, 23:27:43 »
GGR: Thanks for the link.  Behr added a nice point of confusion for us, this is like Chrysler registering Hemi as though they invented the hemispherical head with the implication that only chrysler makes motors with hemi-heads. 

Its a good explanation of how the clutch works, but it doesn't address how the oil gets back into the 'store' and what is happening when you first start the car cold.  It sounds like at cold starting, there is no oil in the clutch, so no faning.  After the bimetal heats up, the pin opens the oil hole and lets oil flows, as oil flows and the fan fans (clutched on) and more heat, more oil, more fanning.  I can say that I could hear my fan fanning well when my 250 was at 200F and the ambient was 100F and my heater was on too.

 GGR: An important thing they didn't say: when you first start these cars cold, at about 20-25 degrees C, the fan clutch IS engaged and stays engaged to high rpms until the car warms a little.  That is a fact.  As a result, you get very knoticable loud fanning on cold start.  (It has always been counter intuitive to me why this happens.)  The fan keeps fanning as you go through at least 2nd.  Once the bi-metal heats up from the radiator heating up (and maybe some internal friction), you don't hear the fan at the higher rpms any more.  Sounds like your visco clutch thermo band isn't moving the pin and it is staying in this cold mode.  It may be that the oil is still in the clutch and it needs to spin it back into the 'store'??

 I've just recored my 250 radiator.  I am waiting for a motor clutch to run it up to temp, so I don't know if the radiator solves my problem.  BUT earlier, I pulled the themo (has anyone registered Thermo for Thermostat?) and watched it open in a pan of water on the stove with a thermometer.  It was opening at 70 and only half way.  The new one worked fine.  Its an easy test if you aren't on the clock and if you have your new thermo, put it in the water too, to ensure it is working properly before you put it in.  Watch it open then poor in cool water and see when it closes.

And my Fan clutch was 20 years old so I bought a new one on EBay for $60 It looks like the stock MB part. (not URO, which is a little cheaper.) Both clutches were fine but the new one is a bit louder when cold, which tells me the friction is a little higher & fan is fannnig harder with the new one.  After replacing both parts and renewing the coolant, no change.  I still had to run the heater to keep the motor below 100C (Euro guage cluster) ambient 100F (hot, hot) and it was worse at idle or traffic.  But neither change, the fan or thermo made noticeable difference.  20-30 years ago the car never went more than a hair above 80C
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Dr Benz, I like the test strips method.  Is there a brand name? to make sure ican find them.  These cars often sit long periods and the coolant can corrode some parts like inside the head and clog others like the block and radiator when the protection deteriates.  I hate to guess, so being able to measure the effectiveness is great.

BTW, you can look into the radiator just enough at the two ports and with a light and small mirror see the chemical deposits accumalated on the core, as just an indicator of radiator health and how good your coolant has been.  My suspected bad radiator had 3 to 4 mm stalagmites visible. 
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Re: URO fan clutch?
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 10:45:08 »
Thanks all. Very useful. So for now, I may order a 9 blades fan and a thermostat that opens at a lower temperature. My coolant is MB and recent.