Author Topic: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues  (Read 30004 times)

Louiehenry

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2013, 19:20:51 »
I'm not sure if you're familiar with Mann's restoration? They are fairly close to home, and they redid my brothers Packard just a few months ago. Would they be a good shop?

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2013, 19:23:02 »
Also, what do you mean by a mess of the holes in it?

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2013, 12:53:52 »
Louie,

I don't know anything about Mann's Restoration, but someone may know something about them on this site.  I'm fairly new to the 113 world as well, and know Joe Alexander, and have chatted with a few of his peers on this site in procuring parts.  You may want to do a post and ask any of the "regular" members if they have any experience with Mann's or know any 113 master technicians near Little Rock.  I do know that a few of country's master 113 technical guys regularly have cars shipped to them by truck from all over the country.

As the the mess and holes, I am referring to the picture you posted in your "box in trunk" post with a trunk view of the speakers mounted in the back.  The cuts were jagged, with unnecessary screw holes, and they were cut in places that were not flat, through ribbed areas which are brutal to repair.  That would tell me that whoever put the speakers in were not thinking about preservation, but just "gettin er done".  Same goes for the poor choice of the 1980 becker stereo. 

Hope those guys aren't adjusting your throttle linkage.

I don't mean to offend, just to offer experience, and to help influence you to make a decision that will be advantageous in the long run.  I would imagine you'll have this car as a family heirloom for many years to come, given your age and where it came from.  I can only imagine that family lineage is important to you, as it sounds like your dad or grandfather had quite a car collection that they passed down to future generations.  Given your family's interest in cars, you may want to show it someday, or at least take it to philanthropic affairs.  You might as well make it correct.

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2013, 00:21:09 »
Louie,

FWIW, I agree with Mike on all counts including his two separate recommendations on how to bring the car back closer to as it left the factory. Let me throw out a little history as to what may have lead your dad to have the changes made to the car....

In the 1960's, most cars had little to offer in the area of sound systems. In fact, the only decent sounding system that a person might have owned at the time sat in their living room and looked like the one in the photo below. In our house, it was simply known as "the stereo". Any other unit around the home was likely monaural and may have only pulled in the AM band as that's how most popular stations broadcast. Most of these units (including the portable transistor version) were simply referred to as "radio's". In the early '70's however, smaller and more home systems started becoming readily available (many from Japan) and the listener had a myriad of new options for improved sound. Also, too, FM radio stations proliferated and most of these broadcast in stereo.

From here, consumers began demanding for a better sound quality out of their automobiles. Up until the '60's, we were more interested in cars that were simply cars; in other words the "sound system" as it was, being an after thought. Think of this, 113's were THREE TIMES more expensive than a typical Chevrolet of the time but yet a radio was not even a standard item, it had to be ordered as an option. Even more so than US drivers, Germans were more about driving than about creature comforts (MB didn't even offer cup-holders in cars until about 10 years after everyone else).

So your dad likely had a dilemma on his hands...a nice Mercedes with a lousy sound system. Rather than doing what many other owners did at the time like add an aftermarket unit from Pioneer or Sony, he ordered up the best system that MB had to offer, a Becker model designed for the newer SL model of the day (the 107).  As Mike suggests though, whomever handled the work for him butchered the installation of at least the rear panel speakers.

While your baby is off the road for the winter, you have the chance to consider next steps on your sound system. I would guess that most members here would recommend that you try to bring things back to as "factory" as possible. I personally feel that this portion of your plan does not have to necessarily be carried out by an MB Master Tech ....I do agree that any mechanical work should be... but it should be carried out by a reputable shop which Mann very well could be.

Other things to consider would be finding or ordering your car's "data card" from the MB Classic Center in Irvine, CA (See http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/DataCards and look for items 510 - 519 http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/OptionCodes ).   This and/or your father's original paperwork will show you exactly which radio the car was built with. From what we can see here, it was not the unit that is in the car now.


Good Luck and keep us posted!

Kevin


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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2013, 01:58:04 »
The guys at the Becker radio repair center also offer a modern Becker radio housed in the old original style exterior. It looks original but is a modern unit.  In addition, it has all the input jacks for todays electronic devices.
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2013, 02:31:34 »
Kevin,

I swear we had that same "stereo" console in my living room growing up.  Pretty close, anyway.

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2013, 16:02:38 »
...And none of the kids were allowed to touch it...only my dad! He didn't want us to ruin the needle on the record player or scratch his "Montovani" albums.

Same to you, Mike!

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2013, 16:12:56 »
Now you've got me laughing.  I remember the upgrade in 1971 when we got a new console with an 8 track!!!!
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2013, 19:14:49 »

 I will try a bluetooth wireless speaker and put on my rear package shelf when I drive and see how that works.  I'm told they are great.

Mike

Hi Mike,

I have a Becker Europe (the original radio only one speaker in the dash) in my car, unfortunatley it does not work. I am also thinking about a bluetooth speaker to pair with my Apple iPhone or iPod Touch … looks like the Jawbone Big Jambox speaker got some nice reviews and according to Price-point review is the better speaker over the Bose speaker. For the short periods that I will need the music in my car I think that be the better way. Replacing the Becker radio or having it repaired with upgraded speakers might run me close to $1K at least. The Jawbone Big Jambox  (now on sale for $257-) seams to make sense.

Here is the Link ---> http://reviews.cnet.com/bluetooth-speakers/jawbone-big-jambox-graphite/4505-34810_7-35244085.html

Also available at the Apple Store (a bit more pricey) ---> http://store.apple.com/ca/product/H7423VC/A/big-jambox-by-jawbone-wireless-speaker
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2013, 21:24:32 »
Rolf-Dieter,

Just to mention...I had my original Becker Europa cleaned and repaired for three hours shop time by a local classic car radio shop (back when I lived in S Florida). Also, if you call Becker in New Jersey, I believe that they will give you a quote over the phone. They are VERY accommodating. They even took my buddy's Europa in trade for a re-furbished Europa II.

Kevin

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2013, 02:16:57 »
To be 100% honest, I don't much use my radio, I really prefer the sound of my engine! When I actually use the radio, the one speaker is fine by me, it's usually used by my girlfriend when we go in drives! So I have no problem replacing them, and I gues keeping the kick panel speakers? Or should I replace/get rid of all together? And if the back wall does have to be replaced, will it hurt the value? Should I get the original radio??
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2013, 02:37:10 »
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the heads up, I know I've researched this as well. Like others I hardly ever use my radio. My toy for the past 10 years were several ///M3's I just traded my last M3 for a E-350 4MATIC, mainly because my wife hated my M3 and I just gave up my business car last July (a C350 4Matic). I always preferred to listen to my exhaust on the M3 so the radio never got called upon very often. When i got my car in May (the 280) a Sony Tape deck radio was in place it never worked. The car came with the original Becker Europe radio (in a box) and I installed it before I went to Williamsburg, VA last September just to have the car stock.

If I get the bluetooth speaker arrangement it will be mainly for slow country road drives I plan to take and to be able to listen to my favourite classical music along the way that is readily availabel on my iPhone, iPot Touch or iPad and it would give me the best sound reproduction for the dollar value. I figure to get the original Becker radio working and adding speakers will run me over $1K easily (from what I read) so it does not make sense to me to persue that avenue.
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2013, 10:15:43 »
Hey Rolf and Kevin,

Thanks for the jawbone tip, I'll check that one out.

Here's the one I was considering as opposed to the bose:

http://ue.logitech.com/en-us/product/mobile-boombox

here's a review to check out for mobile units:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-bluetooth-speaker/

I'd be interested in an update when we all get them going.

Mike

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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2013, 10:31:43 »
Louie,

We all love the warble of the engine.  Try using the automatic shifter as a manual... sounds great.

Your issue is fairly straight forward. You have a near mint version of one of the coolest designed classic cars of all time.  You'll probably keep it a while, and if your family has a car collection, you probably have or will have the means to make it show or museum quality, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Preservation is the key to value.  But you already have the damage to the rear wall, (which can be put back right, eventually with the right technical hand).  I think the first step is to find a 1971 Europa II (with the amp, and focus on the one that would be available in 1971, avoid the mexicos and grand prix, or monza) on ebay and replace that nasty looking 1980 model. spend the time putting in your electric Hirschman antenna (don't try a clone), and run wires and power to that amp you have in the trunk already.  See how that works. If it doesn't, try another amp in the trunk.  Make sure you use the mp3 jack (through aux DIN7 port) and mount it under your AC unit in front of the shifter.

When you are ready, willing and able, consider the sheet metal work in the trunk, and put the original kick panel 4" speakers in the car.  use a bluetooth device if you need quality sound on a drive, you can use a usb charger in your cigarette lighter.  By then, they'll probably be using bluetooth cochlear implants for car audio anyway.

That's all I got......

Take care of that girl... and your girlfriend too!

Mike
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Re: Becker/blaupunkt speaker issues
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2013, 14:12:52 »
Thanks! I learned how to drive a manual at 5 and never touched a auto until 14!  I'll do that! Thanks for all y'all's help!