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blue leather color choices in 280sl
« on: August 26, 2015, 21:26:57 »
The Tech Manual shows only one blue for the complete w113 280sl production run.  The code is 245 for the overall interior package, which is what appears on my car's original data card.
The TM also states that the 280 Pagodas got the color codes for leather from 241 through 257.  The upholstery chart includes and illustrates them all except two; the numbers 252 & 253 are not included in the otherwise consecutive numbers.  I hadn't paid any attention to this until today.
I've been on the hunt for appropriate leather for seat covers off and on for several years now; it's definitely hard to find.  And then, lo, M-B decided to re-release it!  Very cool, and, as replicated 'antique' leather goes, quite affordable.  Plus, though I haven't received my sample yet, a long-time upholstery and leather expert for whom I have great respect tells me that my hides are excellent for size, grain pattern, suppleness and workability; the trouble is with the color.

I suppose more of us have seen original tiefdunkleblau "deep dark blue" as a body color than on leather -- the 904 paint code that is such a deep, dark blue that it might be mistaken for black if the light isn't good.  That's the color of the original leather interior in my car.  I think a first impression of it would be labeled Navy or maybe Indigo by most everyone; it's really dark, yet has some 'fire' of blue down in the dark somewhere, more so than with Navy.  As best as can be seen on a computer screen, that's what's shown in our TM as being the blue leather used in 280SLs....at least it shows as really dark.  I accepted that without critical thought, and when I heard that blue leather had been released for 280SLs, the type of blue was of little to no concern amongst all the characteristics listed above.  And when my long-sought leather finally came in, it's in totally the wrong color.  [Sounds like it might be Medium Blue, a nice soft, pretty hue from the 250sl series.]

Could there be another blue or two in those two numbers passed over by our Tech Manual?   [Also of interest: M-B's computers won't accept the color code we use in the TM: 5000.]
These hides came from the Classic Center in Germany, with p/n 0000983 02 84 5020, so we can safely suppose that it's right for something in the M-B line and not dismiss it as just some retailer's BS.  Our upholstery industry people seem to know 'my' blue as 2020.  The TM shows several 4-digit codes for 113 leather but the majority are 3-digit.  The stateside dealership that handled the purchase for me is researching, inquiring.  For my part there's no need to be in a great hurry to solve it; I was beginning to have hopes for completion in time for PUB (again), but this aspect of my Pagoda Project is already long term. [It's apparently legendary that Deutsche Klassic Zentrum moves in its own time, and Pagoda curation in itself teaches patience, yes?]  Still, would love to get to the bottom of this (even more love to get hold of the right stuff for my car, of course).

So: are there blues hiding in missing numbers 252 & 253?  Wouldn't fix me up, but would go a long way toward understanding the snafu and maybe prevent some others.  
« Last Edit: September 07, 2015, 22:07:06 by pagoden »
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2015, 16:03:56 »
The source I looked at was Engelen's book on the Pagoda. While written in German, the interior codes and names are reasonably easy to decipher. Engelen is pretty well considered the gold standard for information, and his list also omits 252 and 253. These are sandwiched between beige and parchment, 251 and 254 respectively. Even Meredith's book does not have the 252/253 codes listed. The codes above 212 were only in the 280 SL according to Engelen.
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 18:00:37 »
Denny and Jonny,
there are a few web sites that list these missing codes 252 and 253.
This one: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/how-to-find-exterior-and-interior-color-codes-for-your-mercedes-benz-64142.html
shows three entries:
252 leather "nappa" two-color anthracite+dark blue
252 leather "nappa" dark blue
This one: http://www.mercedesclub.de/ausstattungscodes-pkw
also has three entries:
252A    LEDER/NAPPA/NUBUK 2-FARBIG;ANTHR./BLAU;SW/GRANIT
252O    DESIGNO-GRUEN-LACKIERUNG
252U    DESIGNO-GRUEN LACKIERUNG
the record with 10 entries is this one: http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/mb-codes-sonderaustattung-t1382643.html
P 252A LEDER/NAPPA/NUBUK 2-FARBIG;ANTHR./BLAU;SW/GRANIT
P 252K PRO.TYP S203-S371 (M612 DE27 LA)
P 252O DESIGNO-GRUEN-LACKIERUNG
P 252P PRO.TYP A209 WAGEN109/BF(M113E43)
P 252U DESIGNO-GRUEN LACKIERUNG
G 252U DESIGNO GRUEN METALLIC
P 253 RADIO MB - EXQUISIT - JAPAN
P 253K
P 253L BEHOERDENFAHRZEUGE
P 253P PRO.TYP A209 WAGEN111/HD(M113E43)
...................   but don't ask me what they mean!

And then you can look at a few color examples here:
http://www.meinbenz.de/polster/107/polster107.htm
1982-1985 Code 252 - Leder blau
1982-1985 Code253 brasil - Leder braun

Confused?   ;)
Alfred
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1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 19:18:22 »
I would take this information to mean that the two codes in question were not used for the 113 cars. Nappa and Deisgno are terms that MB uses currently for the special options. The Nappa leather is a softer smoother leather available in new cars. Designo was/is? the MB term for a special order or special color.

That typed, it looks like the 252 was blue, but for the 107 cars.

Cool sites though!
Jonny B
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1970 280 SL Auto, DB 904
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 23:35:07 »
I would take this information to mean that the two codes in question were not used for the 113 cars. .....
I don't think that this was ever in doubt!
Alfred
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1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 20:07:35 »
Gentlemen, thank you very much for laying any questions regarding the missing numbers pretty thoroughly to rest: interesting, informative and altogether impressive.

Now that that is settled -- at least to our satisfaction; we'll see what M-B comes up with --  my problem is more acutely defined; how is it that M-B is supplying blue leather for my (or any) 280sl  that is in any other than the 'sole&only' blue they ever supplied for the entire 280sl series?  
[The question appears here pretty much as rhetorical: conjecture welcome.  Meantime, inquiries through M-B channels proceed.]

Thanks again guys: super response.
Denny
« Last Edit: September 01, 2015, 21:14:56 by pagoden »
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 22:30:19 »
Denny,

I see you are coming to PUB, I will be driving my blue Pagoda 280sl late 1968/1969 my interior is blue leather (not sure what code it is right now). You can then have a closer look at my interior :)
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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2015, 14:36:20 »
Certainly when I was researching this problem a few months ago for a current restoration I could only find one code for blue leather for 113.

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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2015, 17:56:11 »
Quote from: stickandrudderman
.../... I could only find one code for blue leather for 113
230 and 250 SL   SA 205  Blue  colour No 979  or SA206  Middle blue  colour No354
280SL    SA245   blue  Colour No 5000

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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2015, 22:45:48 »
230 and 250 SL   SA 205  Blue  colour No 979  or SA206  Middle blue  colour No354
280SL    SA245   blue  Colour No 5000

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Re: blue leather color choices in 280sl
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2015, 13:13:11 »
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Hans I want to send you a private message but you box is full!
Ok, thanks for pointing this out to me :-)
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« Last Edit: September 03, 2015, 20:09:43 by mbzse »
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