Author Topic: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?  (Read 5842 times)

Maverick69

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230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« on: December 20, 2004, 18:35:54 »
I'm looking to buy one of the above for my wife. I'm just researching now , but I know there must be something to look for and stay away from .  
Is there a particular model to look for , etc ?

Thanks for the help in advance.

Brent

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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2004, 18:55:10 »
Brent,

There are a lot of detailed engineering differences between the models.  Most of these happened over time and are not necessarily associated with particular model years, but before/after particular chassis numbers.

Aside from these countless little details, later cars (after 1969?) originally sold in the USA had fuel economy and emissions controls added.  This adds complexity to getting the engine to run properly.  The larger cars were more powerful, but the 230SL typically had a manual transmission and no A/C (lighter weight).  The 230SL engine is more expensive to overhaul.  The 230SL is commonly thought to be more sporty handling and the 280SL more luxurious.  Most 230SL and 250SL do not have head rests or 3-point seat belts.  Most have 2-point seat belts.  The biggest enemy is rust, so make sure the car you consider buying doesn't have a bad rust problem.

They are all great cars, some what expensive (everything is relative), and once everything is repaired and corrected they more reliable than any other 40 year old car I know of.  I don't know of any details that would dictate buying any particular version (230, 250, or 280).

I recommend you use the Search button at the top right corner of the screen and searh for "buying", "shopping", "looking", or other key words that will help you find discussion threads related to the topic of finding a good Pagoda.  Also, go back to our Home Page (www.sl113.org/home.asp) and click on Technical Articles.  You can learn a lot about these cars right there.

We have several Canadian members, tell us what town you're in and maybe you can get to speak with some members in person and see their cars!

Rodd
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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2004, 19:16:23 »
Maverick,

There's quite a bit of good info on this site, but you should also check out this site for a nice synopsis:

http://silverstarrestorations.com/113SL.htm

Tell us what you're finding out there. We're interested.

Good luck to you & welcome, in advance, to the fold.

Douglas Kim
New York, NY
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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2004, 20:05:40 »
I am in Montreal if you need help

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Maverick69

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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2004, 00:16:01 »
I'm in Regina ,SK. I can't say that I have seen a lot of these around here . We almost bought a beautiful 280SL about 10 years ago . We're still sorry we didn't. But we are newbies and I feel it is better to informed than to jump on the first DEAL you come across .

Brent

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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2004, 03:56:42 »
The only things I would like to add is that you should decide on what you want first before looking at ANY cars. Or actually go look at 230SL and 280SLs to see the small differences, mainly interior cosmetic. I personally like the more intricate and period fittings of the 230SL and early 250.

However if you really prefer an automatic then the 280 has better torque and BHP and is available with other "modernities" like A/C, headrests, power steering blah blah ! Its a lazier drive IMO and since I drive a 230Sl manual, which I love, I would try a 280 auto also and pick the car with the best bodywork, or the roughest and replace everything if you feel up to spending big dollars !

Have I just confused everyone including myself ?? :(

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
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Maverick69

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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2004, 09:39:48 »
Well Ben,

The reason I made the post is because I don't really know yet what model to look for. Your post and the others help in making an informed decision . 4 speed cars are more fun to try IMHO and A/C in a ragtop seems like a waste . I guess my biggest concerns would be reliability , motor and tranny wise since I don't have much time to tinker anymore.

Brent

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Originally posted by Ben

The only things I would like to add is that you should decide on what you want first before looking at ANY cars. Or actually go look at 230SL and 280SLs to see the small differences, mainly interior cosmetic. I personally like the more intricate and period fittings of the 230SL and early 250.

However if you really prefer an automatic then the 280 has better torque and BHP and is available with other "modernities" like A/C, headrests, power steering blah blah ! Its a lazier drive IMO and since I drive a 230Sl manual, which I love, I would try a 280 auto also and pick the car with the best bodywork, or the roughest and replace everything if you feel up to spending big dollars !

Have I just confused everyone including myself ?? :(

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.



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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2004, 10:14:16 »
Well on the reliability front I can confirm a few things. It can be hard to get these cars right, especially if its in the hands of someone who isn't familiar with their set up. They are complex but beautifully designed and thought out machines.

When they are wrong they are a nightmare and can swallow dollars to get right. However thanks to the experts on this site and the dept of experience of the owners who are all willing to help and share experiences most of us have been able to overcome the issues and get our cars running well.

When these cars are running well they are simply fantastic and reliability is second to none. I have said this many times but if I had to drive to the proverbial "a55hole of nowehere" then I would choose my Pagoda over my modern Mercedes every time. I use it for about 15,000 miles every year without a hitch!

So whatever you buy take the advice from fellow owners in your area and get a 113 expert to go through the various tuning elements and procedures to get it reliable. Then enjoy forever ..........   :D

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2004, 10:15:53 by Ben »

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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2004, 10:20:48 »
Hello Undecided,

Well it all depends on your wife.
If she likes to be in a more of a sporty like car then the 230SL and 250SL would suit her, but if she would prefer comfort and a bit of a less harsh ride then the 280SL is her best bet.
But above all, find one that is well cared for and maintained top notch, or you will have a lot of arguments from her.  Smile!

Walter, fortunately single and loves a harsh ride-230SL's
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Re: 230 , 250 or 280SL What to buy ?
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2004, 12:40:45 »
Dear Maverik:
I'm an engineer(really, with a diploma and a State License) and I have owned several MB's and a 230SL when they were new. I have aways done my own work, including overhauling engines. I have never - in my entire life - had a mechanic touch any of my cars. This is not to be bragging, it's only to make a point: I'm very knowlegeable. And yet, when I was about to buy another Pagoda, I talked to our local MB dealer: To the man who owns the dealership; I have known him for 40 years. I asked him, who of his mechanics was the most competent? Then I went there and asked him, if he would inspect the car before purchase. Then I stipulated in a little one-page contract with the seller: A pre-purchase inspection. I went thru several cars that way. Finally, I ended up with a red '69 280SL which leaked oil so much that the same MB shop wrote on one invoice"Oil leaks unrepairable". They weren't really, it was just a lot of work and would have cost much more than the price of quarts of oil. But the car had no rust and only insignificant body damages. I have had it now for over one year and it quit leaking. It's a good car and I'm very glad that I engaged the help of an expert. It was smart, wise and the best money I have spent. Take a hint!

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