Author Topic: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm  (Read 2447 times)

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Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« on: September 16, 2020, 20:20:29 »
Hello,

My M130 engine (injection) has a Bosch 0231 116 051 JFUR 6 distributor with vacuum retard.

The engine runs relatively OK, but I hear some minor "puffing" when I realise the throttle. It just does not feel 100%...
I suspect the ignition...
At idle I have 3 dgr. ATDC (vacuum attached), at 1500 rpm around 15 dgr. BTDC, but at 3000 rpm I only have 20 dgr. BTDC.
I think this should be about 30 dgr.

I looked at the centrifugal weights and the little springs holding them, but that looks OK.
I noticed that the rotor only turns 10 dgr. when the centrifugal weights are in their maximum position.

Any suggestions? Should I just regulate the ignition at 30 dgr at 3000 rpm and not worry about idle?

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2020, 20:57:31 »
There is a lot of I do regarding timing on this website. Do a search on “051 timing”

The 051 distributor has a 10 degree vacuum advance and a 20 degree mechanical advance for a total of 30 degrees.

This forums wisdom suggests setting the the timing to 38 degrees @3000 rpm and let the idle find its own place. This will usually be 8 degrees BTDC.
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Re: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2020, 21:01:23 »
Thanks a lot!
I'll give it a try tomorrow and I will post my findings.

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Re: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2020, 19:40:18 »
Hello,

I have set the timing at approx. 35 dgr at 3000 rpm.

BIG improvement!!

Thanks a lot!

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Re: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 07:25:50 »
Personally I would want to restore the distributor (or associated parts) to correct function and have the timing be in line with the correct spec.


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Re: Distributor advance only 20 dgr. at 3000 rpm
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2020, 09:53:44 »
Thanks for your comment!

I disassembled the distributor, checked it and cleaned it.
I will put my electronic ignition FAST XR-700 back and see how it runs!