Pagoda SL Group
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
This topic
This board
Entire forum
Google
News:
Become a
Full Member
and enjoy Pagoda Notes and Pagoda World — and join our
Emergency Contact List
!
Home
Help
Technical Manual
Search
Login
Register
Pagoda SL Group
»
W113 Pagoda SL Group
»
Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes
»
Cylinder Head
« previous
next »
Print
Pages: [
1
]
Author
Topic: Cylinder Head (Read 2418 times)
NSL190
Guest
Cylinder Head
«
on:
December 14, 2020, 06:33:29 »
Hi to All
I am new to this site and seek advise re the minimum allowable thickness for a 63 230sl M127 cylinder head to maintain at least the minimum inlet valve to piston clearance. I have recently completed a full restoration on my 48year owned 190sl and the cylinder head on the 190SL suffers from the same issue re clearance after machining. A cylinder head gasket shim is available for the 190 but I have not been able to find one for the 230SL engine so consequently I am worried that should I have to machine the 230SL head again it will be only good for a boat anchor. I can see that it has been machined at least once before and it now measures 83.36mm.Any advice is appreciated.
Ross Horton
Australia
Logged
Benz Dr.
Associate Member
Platinum
Canada, ON, Port Lambton
Posts: 7220
Benz Dr.
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #1 on:
December 14, 2020, 07:33:15 »
That's really been machined a lot when 84mm is the minimum. Turn your engine over to 5 degrees past TDC on the number one piston. Move the intake valve down until the valve touches the top of the piston and measure how far it moves past what the cam lobe has moved it. You need .9 mm clearance at this intersection point or the valve can hit the piston.
If it still clears, I would use .015 -.020 " of camshaft bearing shims to raise the cam higher because the valve seats likely also cut deeper. The odds of being able to be able to continue using this head are not high.
Logged
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn
1970 3.5 Coupe
1961 190SL
1985 300CD Turbo Coupe
1981 300SD
2013 GMC Sierra
1965 230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC
WRe
Full Member
Platinum
Germany, Hessen, Seeheim-Jugenheim
Posts: 1454
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #2 on:
December 14, 2020, 07:47:03 »
Hi,
see workshop manual: Minimum 84mm.
...WRe
Logged
MikeSimon
Full Member
Platinum
USA, OH, North Royalton
Posts: 2477
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #3 on:
December 14, 2020, 14:45:05 »
i am not sure what the experts' opinions are on this, but for motorcycles, we have used two headgaskets to raise the head if the thickness or height is borderline. It doesn't do much, but it may help.
Logged
1970/71 280SL Automatic
Sandy Beige
Parchment Leather
Power Steering
Automatic
Hardtop
Heated Tinted Rear Window
German specs
3rd owner
NSL190
Guest
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #4 on:
December 19, 2020, 06:29:28 »
Thank you all for your much appreciated replies.
Based on those comments and the condition of my cylinder I will have to bite the bullet and purchase a new cylinder head from Niemoller in the new year. Expensive but these beautiful cars are worth it. Can anyone comment on the quality of the new cylinder heads from Niemoller. I did question them re the country of origin but they did not comment. I am a bit wary re the quality of some of the aftermarket parts that I purchased and had to discard while restoring my 19OSL.
Cheers from Australia
Ross Horton
Logged
Benz Dr.
Associate Member
Platinum
Canada, ON, Port Lambton
Posts: 7220
Benz Dr.
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #5 on:
December 19, 2020, 07:48:13 »
You can also use a 250SL head if you can find one.
Logged
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn
1970 3.5 Coupe
1961 190SL
1985 300CD Turbo Coupe
1981 300SD
2013 GMC Sierra
1965 230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC
Cees Klumper
Full Member
Platinum
USA, CA, Fallbrook
Posts: 5719
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #6 on:
December 19, 2020, 18:01:55 »
€4,300 yikes (without VAT - or shipping). I would definitely look for a used one.
Logged
Cees Klumper
1969 Mercedes 280 SL automatic
1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
1983 Porsche 944 2.5
1990 Ford Bronco II
MikeSimon
Full Member
Platinum
USA, OH, North Royalton
Posts: 2477
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #7 on:
December 19, 2020, 20:56:54 »
No VAT if shipped overseas. May have to pay customs duty, though.
Logged
1970/71 280SL Automatic
Sandy Beige
Parchment Leather
Power Steering
Automatic
Hardtop
Heated Tinted Rear Window
German specs
3rd owner
stickandrudderman
Vendor
Platinum
United Kingdom, England, Richmond
Posts: 2924
Re: Cylinder Head
«
Reply #8 on:
December 21, 2020, 12:22:46 »
New heads are available direct from MB which is likely where Niemoller will source it from. Here in the UK there is a shim available to regain the lost height and I have in the past, in consultation with an impoverished owner, fitted two headgaskets with good long-lasting result.
Logged
Stick
www.colinferns.com
Print
Pages: [
1
]
« previous
next »
Pagoda SL Group
»
W113 Pagoda SL Group
»
Drive train, fuel, suspension, steering & brakes
»
Cylinder Head