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Battery for 1970 280sl
« on: August 26, 2021, 16:22:25 »
Hi
Could anyone suggest a good battery for a 1970 280sl?


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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2021, 21:10:34 »
I cannot tell you what's available in Ireland in terms of brands, but having had 4 batteries in 20 years, I can tell you that what you want is a sealed unit, sometimes called "AGM" style. These are the kinds you don't add water to, and thus you are unlikely to ever have battery acid spilling out as it did on the two of mine that were conventional.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2021, 22:17:30 »
What exactly are you looking for? Modern battery to use in the car and not worry about its maintenance? Or a period looking battery?

Once this is decided, any good shop with batteries will have a  Pagoda in the car list for dimensions, Ah and side of the poles.

Brands in Europe - Bosch and Varta in my opinion. Mercedes dealers will surely sell you a good battery, it will just be expensive.

For period looking battery - I would encourage to search this forum.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2021, 02:40:28 »
As a personal opinion I am not a huge fan of AGM batteries. They are fussy about how they want to be charged and they never seem to wave goodbye.  They just up and die.

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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2021, 12:32:51 »
I am the other side. I use AGMs wherever I can. I currently have them in 14 of my 16 motorcycles (For the Ducati916, nobody makes an AGM that fits and the BMW K1600 has factory gel battery) and one in the Corvette. They last about 6-8 years and mine do not need a special charger. the gel battery does. Agreed, they do not take lightly to a deep discharge, but i keep them on tenders if I don't ride for a longer period of time.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2021, 12:49:10 »
My last battery was a sealed unit. It was a Diehard, and probably about 8-10 years old. I have no idea what Pat Price means by fussy in charging, or by not waving goodbye because none of that happened. It installed normally, it acted normally, and charged normally over its life. While my car was having some work done on it in the past two years, and just before it was returned to me, my service facility tested it and said that one cell is almost dead and another cell is marginal, so it tested like a normal battery as well. So, while it was working, it was not working well nor up to capacity. My guy wasn't trying to make a fast buck on my with a battery (trust me a mere pittance of the overall charges for restoring the hard top, replacing the door, etc.) but he was concerned that with the car being transported to me, if they had to jump it to get it out of the truck, anything can happen with that and the hood open...so we replaced it with another sealed unit.

The two unsealed batteries that I had over the years were the fussy ones in which you needed to maintain them by adding water on a regular basis, cell by cell. But that quaint maintenance was not the issue…the issue was when you weren’t looking and when you didn’t know it somehow some of the battery acid would bubble out of the tops which are not sealed, and dribble down into the battery tray and related, and that caused corrosion, some of it seen and some of it not seen unless you removed the battery. There was also a build up of that corrosive white fluff at the terminal posts, but they do make those little felt thingies that are chemically treated to help prevent that.

I cannot say that the AGM battery I last had lasted any longer or was any “better in performance” than the prior one but it certainly was a lot cleaner. It lasted probably close to 10 years which is about all you can expect out of a battery no matter what, so I’m not complaining.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2021, 19:20:36 by mdsalemi »
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2021, 19:59:13 »
There is a difference between "sealed" batteries and AGMs. There are sealed "wet" batteries that are "maintenance free" and they are filled with acid. AGMs are "dry". The glass mat between the plates is soaked with an electrolyte. Thus the name Absorbed Glass Matt
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2021, 08:13:51 »
https://workshoppist.com/agm-battery-charging-rates/

Had 27 size 8D  AGMs (300 pounds each) on my old boat. Wrong charger.  Done in two years. 

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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2021, 12:13:15 »
My 1st battery after restoration was just conventional, of name unknown. After missing a Concours win to a well known restorer who had an ersatz original battery, a complete “built in the shop” fabrication, a fake, I bought a white-cased Mercedes-Benz battery. Warned that they really aren’t very good batteries when that had charge issues I decided to get an Optima…until I saw the price and fit issues. I opted instead for the somewhat less costly DieHard Platinum. That’s the one that lasted about 10 years. Though Sears is gone you can still get DieHards at auto parts stores.

To me, normal battery concerns don’t apply for a collectible car. It doesn’t get the use of a daily driver. CCA was irrelevant when a car is only used in fair and warm weather, and even less so here in the Carolinas. Regardless I took the advice of my restoration shop and they installed a Federated Gold. Just a plain old sealed battery. Nothing fancy—but it fits and works, and the battery they use in most replacements.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2021, 12:15:25 »
I got mine from Napa, my goal, was a boring all black battery. I peeled the stickers even.

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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2021, 17:43:13 »
Specracer,
I did the same. I peeled all the stickers, printed the Bosch decal in the Technical manual section, clearcoated it and slapped it on the side.  I dolled up the top with a “Tar Topper” from Eklers Corvettes but it seems fake and will most likely get tossed.

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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2021, 19:28:15 »
I made modern Varta look like vintage Varta (with some disctance and good will) with help from some of the Members here - decal and 3D printed caps.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2021, 19:53:44 »
Nice Pawel.

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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2021, 20:40:20 »
Thank you, very kind of you!

But I attached the wrong picture, early prototype caps. Now with more Varta-like caps (the previous ones looked more like Delco).

Mrfatboy's is much better one, however, with detailed caps bases and caps themselves.
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2021, 23:22:55 »
Here is JonB’s early 250 with the 3D printed caps and decal from the tech manual.  Used basic black battery.

It is was fun to try to replicate 49er’s original photo. 🤣   Chalk it up to Covid boredom 🤣🤣🤣
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Re: Battery for 1970 280sl
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2021, 18:48:35 »
Thanks a lot