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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 21:07:31 »
Firewall pad has been replaced-would be pristine on such a low mileage car.  US car with Euro lights.  No head rests.  Brake fluid reservoir is too yellow for such a low mileage car.  Hard to believe the claims being made.  Certainly not an original car.

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 21:17:49 »
I find it very interesting how many people on eBay help people sell their cars.  They are not the owner, has no interest on the car, and know very little about the car. Why can't the owners sell the car themselve?

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 21:41:17 »
It's amazing that so many of these 280sl's on Ebay have under 100k.  There seems to always be one listed with incredibly low mileage. Hard to believe the mileage considering the changes, namely the Euro headlights on an American car.

I know my first 280sl had 56k showing... I'm willing to bet it was either 156k or 256k.


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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 01:41:44 »
looks like it's been retrimed too
These folk "selling for a friend" are these just dealers in diguise?
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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 03:50:31 »
How exactly would higher mileage accelerate the deterioration of the plastic fluid resevoir ? Surely it has just aged ......no ?

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 06:32:39 »
Whenever I see restored cars with absurdly low miles claimed, I am immediately suspicious. The fact that the seller does nothing but offer a story, claims documentation, then posts photos that aren't very revealing only makes me even more skeptical.

Consider this though: There's a pretty good chance the buyer will end up in this forum.

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 06:45:32 »
This is funny guys...

In some threads we debate on changing lights from US to Euro--with the Euro look seemingly being preferred and some are even quoting Paul Bracq on such appearances...yet every time someone highlights one of these eBay gems, the FIRST thing that is picked apart are all the inconsistencies, such as Euro lights on a US car....now you know why I personally value consistency?

The fluid reservoir ages in several ways--first, dirty fluid (I would suggest that after the first couple of years of religious maintenance, not too many of the 113's had their brake fluid changed annually...); plasticizers that "evaporate" out of the tank.  The evaporation of the plasticizers is exacerbated by heat.  Therefore extended milege will act as a catalyst to what will happen anyway just with time living in the engine compartment.  Nearly ANYTHING that starts out with a neutral clear/white color in this world eventually yellows--from plastics to paint to your white laundry. External dirt, oil and grime that manages to gravitate towards the outside of the container also helps change the color...that being said, anyone know where I can find a NOS reservoir tank?  I've got a beautiful one, pristine color, new/new and thus cockeyed on the booster...

Regarding the eBay thing, also note that a lot of these cars have changed hands from father/mother to spouse/son/daughter, with the latter not having any knowledge or interest in the vehicle.  Mine started that way, when my uncle died and my aunt didn't even know the year, whether it was auto or standard, etc.; what she knew was it was a "little, old Mercedes".  Another 280SL around here passed from father to son, the son had no knowledge, but gained some along the way--enough to know the car was not restorable.  Bob Geco's passed the same way.  So when one of these cars ends up in the hands of someone who doesn't know about it, and doesn't care to know about it, enter a willing 3rd party, a friend, a classic consignment dealer (oops there goes that classic word again! :D )and that's one way they get to eBay.  Professional sellers can glorify anything, particularly when they have so little knowledge of the actual history!

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 07:12:17 »
Michael,

My stock car with 13,800 miles has an almost white original reservoir.  I can't describe the chemical reactions that cause them to yellow over time, but I suspect the heat of the engine accelerates the process of turning to yellow.  That is why truly low mileage cars have a white reservoir.

To get a good price, a car needs a good story.  This Ebay seller has a good story, but the pictures don't match the story.


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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 07:49:41 »
Okay guys thanks..............I was curious but the explanations ....
.....em........ahem.......explained it !!  :oops:

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 07:58:35 »
Back to the classic thing for a moment.  Even though my classic license plate is actually embosed with the word "classic", I've never described the car that way.  I just use the word, "vintage" ... no deep thought behind that, other than the word classic seems a bit much to me too.  When I think classic, I think cars like Doc mentions, such as a 540K, or Bugatti, etc.

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 15:45:52 »
In 1968, headrests were options.  My '68 does not have headrests.  So, the only thing you have to go on is a yellow 37 year old reservoir that might have the original fluid in it, and Euro lights.  I would see the documentation before dismissing the mileage claim.
However, I agree that there are WAY too many cars out there claiming under 100K miles.

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2005, 23:22:51 »
Tom,

Here's a NOS 230 SL brake fluid reservoir that is very yellow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33566&item=7987677935

Was the 230 SL unit a different color?



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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2005, 01:16:11 »
Raymond,
I really, really hope you haven't got the original fluid in it

You really must change it every two years otherwise the system will rot from the inside out with all the moisture that brake fluid absorbs

The only way around this is if you use silicon based brake fluid

I have on an MGA and a BMW 2002tii, so far no problems
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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2005, 05:59:59 »
quote:
Originally posted by Douglas

Tom,

Here's a NOS 230 SL brake fluid reservoir that is very yellow:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33566&item=7987677935

Was the 230 SL unit a different color?



Douglas Kim
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QED and thanks, Doug--as I said, the color of the reservoir changes from several chemical factors happening at the same time--outgassing, heat, light and age, dirty fluid and dirt/oil/grime, (see previous post) and therefore not a good indicator of a "story", of mileage, or of age. A white or clean looking fluid reservoir indicates little other then the fact that when you are looking at the car, it is a point of note and nothing more.

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2005, 06:48:53 »
Doug, Michael

My view is that reservoir came out of an old, high mileage 230sl that was well cared for.  It has a uniform yellow color which is unusual and would give a nice patina to a well cared for 230sl

I'm not sure that these reservoirs came only in 1 color (white).

Generally, high mileage cars have reservoirs that yellow with driving from the heat of the engine and low mileage cars have reservoirs that are closer to the original white tone.  This is simply my observation after seeing hundreds of these cars as well as my experience with my low mileage car.

The 280sl reservoir with two sensors to read fluid levels has been NLA for some time so it would be unlikely that a high mileage car has a white reservoir.

Best,

Tom

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Re: Unusual story, if true!!
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2005, 17:20:09 »
No Malc, I merely said that, like mine, a '68 without headrests can be entirely accurate.  I suggested that the reservoir in the car on e-bay might be yellow from age and possibly old fluid.  All my cars get regular changes of all the fluids.

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