Author Topic: 280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved  (Read 1718 times)

AlanT

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280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved
« on: February 16, 2023, 05:04:17 »
280SL Stumble Solved

This was a multi layered issue that on remediation has resulted in a beautiful powerful smooth running car.

The Car: 1969 280SL California Coupe 93,000 genuine miles. 576G/040
Tenure: Owned for 12 years, driven circa 200 miles per year. Full History.
The Problem: After 30 mins plus of driving an intermittent idling stumble which years later grew to stuttering on acceleration. This advanced to a failure of ignition at 4000 rpm and some weeks later, catastrophic backfiring and rough running without power to proceed.

The diagnosis:
This was a combination of ignition and fuel supply failure.
Part of the problem only occurred post heat transmission to engine peripherals, whilst the fuel delivery issue was constant.
The individual failures;
- 1k Resistor Lead Connectors had failed, particularly once heat had transferred to engine peripherals
- Radio Suppressor Capacitor had failed shorting to ground
- Distributor Capacitor had failed shorting to ground
- Woven Battery Earth Lead shorting on Ballast Resistor
- Rotor Button had failed and burnt
- Fuel Pump wire strainer filter end had dislodged and intermittently blocked fuel entry to pump body

The completed works:
- Tied back Woven Battery Earth Lead
- Checked Ballast power and resistance 
- Checked Original Regulator with Beru Replacement (Beru later returned  to inventory)
- Replaced Fuel Tank with genuine part
- Replaced Foam Tank Ring with genuine part
- Replaced Tank Filler Neck to Body Seal with Oldtimer Part
- Replaced internal boot Tank Filler Neck Cover Seal with non genuine foam sealant strip
- Replaced Fuel Tank Strainer with genuine part
- Replaced Fuel Hoses with genuine parts
- Replaced Rotor Button with Bosch genuine
- Replaced Leads and Resistor ends with Bremi Bakelite 1KOHM. Early 280SL requiring Bakelite.
- Replaced Spark Plugs with NGK5ES
- Replaced Distributor Capacitor with unit of equal value
- Replaced Radio Suppressor Capacitor with unit of equal value.
- Dismantled Fuel Pump, machined commutator, removed debris from pump body, reassembled
- Replaced Flat Head Body Fixing Bolts to fuel pump cover from Authentic Classics
- Dismantled Fuel Pressure Diaphragm and checked, reassembled.
- Removed, cleaned and tested Throttle Switch
- Removed, tested, reseated Cold Start Valve
- Cleaned and reassembled Fuel Filter
- Measured Dwell
- Inspected Points
- Inspected Distributor Body Insulation
- Inspected Distributor Shaft

Ignition/Fuel Works scheduled:
- Replace Fuel Injectors
- Replace Fuel Filter
- Replace Fuel Strainer to Bosch Short Pump (Originally Long Pump)
- Replace Distributor Cap
- Replace Ignition Switch
- Replace Battery with Bosch correct dimension
- Replace Battery Shelf Plate
- Replace Throttle Linkage Bushings and Ends
- Replace Injector Pump Gaskets (small oil leak)
- Check WRD

The learns:
- Check the basics first; leads, plugs, distributor, capacitors etc
- Refresh the fuel pump, very easy job
- Look further afield, i.e. ignition switch, regulator etc.
- Search for shorting to ground and current supply restrictions to both plugs and coil.

On this job, a big thanks to Mercedes Benz Classic Centre California, George at Authentic Classics, Patrick at Oldtimer and Kevin at McStar Australia.

Finally a heartfelt thanks to all the contributors on this forum. The knowledge base is exceptional and has helped me tremendously on my long Pagoda journey.

I hope members benefit from the above.
Alan T
Malvern VIC Australia

1969 280 SL California Coupe Auto (Father first owner, found again and re-purchased 2011)
1970 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 Family owned since 1976
1972 Jaguar EType S111 V12 2+2 Custodian of.
1973 Landrover S111 SWB Hard Top 2.25 petrol
2016 Mercedes Valante

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Re: 280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2023, 05:56:51 »
Wow Allan,
What and extensive job. Well done, wishing you many, many happy miles ahead.
Regards
Chris
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Garry

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Re: 280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2023, 09:52:20 »
Welcome Alan,


Not sure we have met but probably at one of the Pagoda meets or the MBCV SL runs.


Good to see you get it all fixed.


Garry
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1965 MB 230SL Auto RHD Lt Blue 334G, Top 350H, Tourist Delivery.
1972 MB 280CE Auto RHD 906G
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AlanT

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Re: 280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2023, 13:23:41 »
Thanks Chris and Garry, much appreciated.

Garry, we have met many years ago, once by accident in Middle Park when you "Heard" me coming and yes at some subsequent Pagoda coffee catchups. Good to hear from you!

I'm going through this car from one end to the other with a "sympathetic" restoration purchasing original wherever possible and preserving the original patina as much as I can. I have thoroughly benefitted from this forum, the detail is incredible and the spirit even better!

I'm sure I'll see you again some time.........
Alan T
Malvern VIC Australia

1969 280 SL California Coupe Auto (Father first owner, found again and re-purchased 2011)
1970 Jaguar XJ6 4.2 Family owned since 1976
1972 Jaguar EType S111 V12 2+2 Custodian of.
1973 Landrover S111 SWB Hard Top 2.25 petrol
2016 Mercedes Valante

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Re: 280SL Engine Cut Out Stumble Solved
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2023, 14:33:49 »
This sounds to be identical to my issues .
Issues when engine reaches operating temps can further complicate . 
And as said, may times its a combination of things .   
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