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Tyres 205/60
« on: September 22, 2024, 23:40:45 »
Hi there can I run these tyres on my 230SL?

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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2024, 09:50:35 »
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2024, 00:53:11 »
I run 205/70 tyres on my 230SL, very happy and tyres fit well and drive really well

The 205/60 is too small a profile
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2024, 06:34:01 »
Hi,
a previous owner of my car had tires of size 205/60 R15 89 H mounted on steel rims 7JJx15CH.
But be careful, because when using 205 tires there was a failure mode of the power steering fastening where the sleeves were torn out of the frame or the fastening screws broke off.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2024, 09:54:21 »
I have been running my 230 SL on 205/70 R14 tyres with 6 inch rims for many years without any problems at all, not out of choice, however this is the only 14 inch tyre readily available in my country.

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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2024, 18:36:39 »
Thanks all for your replies appears it will not be suitable so in will try source some 195/70 or similar I think!

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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2024, 05:57:34 »
Hi,
Since last year I use 195/70 R14 91H  tires on my car with alloys and I'am happy with it.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2024, 11:42:02 »
I have switched from 195-14 to 205-14 for the last two sets of tires on my 1966 230SL. With 4.08 rear gears, I appreciate the additional tire diameter. 195's are 24.7 inches. 205's are 25.3 inches. Not much, but every little bit helps.

However my spare is a horizontal mount and I found it nearly impossible to fit the new 205 spare under the rear quarter and onto the steel mount. The tire with full air pressure, absolutely would not go over the steel mount and under the rear quarter. I had to make some modifications to the steel mount to get it to fit. Once I was able to get the new 205 spare to go under the rear quarter, the trunk would not close without bending the trunk lid. It took considerable maneuvering to get the spare to not push on the underside of trunk lid.

Just a heads-up, if you decide to change the size of your spare to 205 also.

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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2024, 22:14:32 »
Ed,
You need to include the side wall ratio.
 205/60 are very different from 205/80 !!
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2024, 16:52:30 »
Is there such a thing as a 205/80?
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2024, 20:56:06 »
Just making a point.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2024, 12:06:58 »
Yes, as a matter, fact, there is.
Michelin XWX comes in that size.
205-(80) VR14
Quite expensive. I put the 80 in parentheses since 80 series tires generally are not noted as such.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2024, 13:24:04 »
I run Vredestein, SprintClassic  185HR 14 90H. Some years ago I put a thread on this site with the research I did to find a tire that was as close to the specs of the original Phoenix tires. These Vredesteins were almost an identical match in every way. Down side to many US owners is that they only come in black wall, but have the curb bump on the side wall as the Phoenix tires had.
Also to follow-up, a wider wheel and tire will cause rear right tire to rub against exhaust pipe. Saw this happen to member having a blow-out on way back from PUD some years ago. Go thing I was running behind him along the interstate.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2024, 10:23:24 »
Excellent point, many people forget about the spare tyre and the impact this increased diameter has on being able to close the trunk lid on an early (vertically mounted spare tire) 230SL.

Best to stick with 185 or 195 for the spare tire, whilst running larger on the rest of you absolutely must deviate from the standard 185’s.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2024, 21:41:11 »
would 185/70 be suitable?

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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2024, 23:42:49 »
That's a smaller diameter than the original 185/80r14.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2024, 11:43:21 »
I think the 185/70 would be fine
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2024, 21:52:25 »
I think the 185/70 would be fine

. . . except for having a smaller rolling diameter, which will improve standing start acceleration, but increase your rpms at all speeds in all gears and reduce fuel economy.
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2024, 17:55:58 »
How about the speedometer? It is driven off the transmission and if the tire rolling diameter is different, it will not show accurate speed?
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Re: Tyres 205/60
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2024, 02:16:32 »
That's correct. The speedometer reading will be greater than your actual ground speed.
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