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Clock Repair......highly rec
« on: April 17, 2008, 23:23:10 »
I just had my clock repaired by David Linquist (found him somewhere on this site).  Great job...the coil was burnt out, the clock was cleaned, and adjusted all for $80.  I doubt North Hollywood or Palo Alto could come close to that.  Just thought I pass this on.
I am not affiliated with him in anyway..I found him on this forum and is nice to have someone not ripping us off just because you have an old mercedes.
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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 11:23:09 »
Thanks for letting us know Abe.  I want to have mine CLA and don't want to convert it to quartz.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 11:56:12 »
quote:
Originally posted by abe280SL

I just had my clock repaired by David Linquist (found him somewhere on this site).  Great job...the coil was burnt out, the clock was cleaned, and adjusted all for $80.  I doubt North Hollywood or Palo Alto could come close to that.  Just thought I pass this on.

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Abe,

That's great that you found a good, reasonable clock repairman.  If you get a chance, though, it would be nice to hear a report after the clock has been running for several months.

I say this because I had mine done by a reputable repair shop and it ran fine at first, but after a few months it started losing quite a bit of time.  I now wish I had sent it to Palo Alto to have the movement replaced with a quartz one.  (The quartz clock in my '72 BMW 3.0CS keeps perfect time, even after many years).

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 09:08:52 »
Palo Alto did have at one time an expert on clock repair but lately they are doing quartz conversions using a Porsche movement.

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 08:11:07 »
I don't know what abe's story is, but I do know this:

About 8 years ago I sent ALL my insrumentation to Palo Alto for total rebuild/refurbishment.  No idea what any of it needed, but it looked terrible.  At the time the total bill came to about $700, and came back looking better than new--really.

I was offered two choices on the clock--"invisible" quartz conversion at about $110 (that was included in the $700) or I could opt to have the old mechanism rebuilt, but what they told me about the old Kienzle mechanism is well documented history.  It would not be terribly accurate and will not last too long.  The rebuilt would have been twice the price as I recall--it became a no brainer.

So, about 8 years ago, a Palo Alto would clean your clock for about $220.00.

I don't know what movement they put it, but it's been 8 years and doesn't ever lose or gain time--it's pretty accurate.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 10:30:38 »
Adding yet another penny to the pile (btw, where's der Englander who's accumulating these for his holiday fund?)... I had my instruments refurbished a few years ago by Overseas Speedometer (right here in Austin, Texas) and they did a fantastic job for a very reasonable price. They're in our vendor list.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 16:37:04 »
Lets help each other out with the good and the bad, but in a professional way.  This is our extended family and we should help our family members.
Thank you.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2008, 16:44:27 »
Palo Alto just rebuilt my shaky speedo and whining tach.  The instruments came back sparkling and the turnaround time was less than 10 days.  The price seemed reasonable for rebuilding and polishing up a pair of 42 year old instruments.  My clock still functions pretty well, but they assured me they could replace the movement in the future if necessary and it would have a completely original outward appearance.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2008, 20:32:14 »
I love my mechanical clock. Every day I look at ny watch and add two minutes, it's kind of like clockwork. I have even gotten to the point when I park it on Friday night add 5 minutes.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2008, 21:31:19 »
Dan,

It would be nice if people backed their statements up with fact.  I think you're upset because of these comments:
quote:
Originally posted by abe280SL

I doubt North Hollywood or Palo Alto could come close to that.
quote:
... is nice to have someone not ripping us off just because you have an old mercedes.


Hopefully Abe will do one of the following:
A) Post his price quotes from North Hollywood and Palo Alto, or
B) Clarify if the second statement was a generality or directed at these two vendors.

There are some Pagoda owners who feel that some vendors raise prices just to gouge(?) the Mercedes owners.  I'm sure this happens in some cases.  These unhappy owners need to get a better understanding of the products or services being sold by the various vendors and the reasons behind the price levels.  Sometimes vendors are offering the same service, but the experience of one vendor could raise the price of their service.

Anyway, I think there are a lot of people happy with the service and value provided by Palo Alto and North Hollywood.  Each owner needs to find their own favorite vendors and if they are going to talk negatively about other vendors, they should be able to do so with experience, facts, and logic.

Let's not go removing people's comments.  Let's encourage them to elaborate and maybe we'll find out what's behind the statements.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2008, 08:11:57 »
quote:
Originally posted by hill

I love my mechanical clock. Every day I look at ny watch and add two minutes, it's kind of like clockwork. I have even gotten to the point when I park it on Friday night add 5 minutes.



I have a similar procedure:  When I first get in the car I turn on the ignition.  While I am letting the pump circulate fuel I look at my watch, adjust the clock and then fire up the engine.  As you say, "just like clockwork."  I can tell if I have been neglecting to exersize the Pagoda when I have to adjust a half hour or more!

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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2008, 23:15:45 »
You know what they say...a clock that's slow is never right, but one that's stopped is right at least twice a day.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 05:05:34 »
Some sage advice from the good Dr. Benz. I call it ADD, acquired discipline deficit. Nowadays you screw up as a kid you get drugs. When I was a kid, a long time ago, back when we had a kerosene powered record player, we also got smacked for screwing up. Sometimes harder than others.

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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 08:44:13 »
I guess I read things a bit differently.  Some are vehement about [negative] commentary about vendors.  I didn't quite see it that way, but that's just me.  I never like the words RIP OFF however unless they are really, truly accurate--high prices in and unto themselves are not "rip offs".

Abe was quite right in surmising that Palo Alto or North Hollywood could come close to the price of Mr. Linquist.  They can't.  But they are commercial operations, which will nearly always be higher in price.  It sounds like Mr. Linquist is more of a hobbyist who does this on the side, and that kind of operation--a cottage industry as it were--will nearly always be lower in price.  He charges what he wants.  Doesn't make the commercial operations a rip off, however.  One of my local MBCA members makes a business repairing all manner of old radios.  My guess is he's somewhat less costly than Becker.  Does not make Becker a rip off.

I cringe when I hear those words RIP OFF because they are so often misused.  Here's a summary of just one of many phone calls I receive--

"You the car wash owner?"
"Yes, can I help you?"
"Yeah--your f*&^%$ change machine RIPPED ME OFF...I put a $5 bill in and NOTHING CAME OUT"
"Well, I'm sorry you have been inconvenienced.  The change machine is just a machine--it doesn't think and can't rip you off.  Something about that bill prevented acceptance, and because of that it didn't dispense change."

Also, however, there are sometimes very real reasons for vast price increases.  Years ago, when my car was being restored, there was a plethora of old 190SL's in the same shop.  I found this puzzling.  Turns out they were all waiting for the same fender.  Mercedes doesn't make them every day, but in batches and the batch ran out.  The old, long-amortized and long-paid off tooling, was stamping out new fenders at what amounted to marginal cost.  Well, as it turns out, the die broke, and MB had to get it repaired.  (You can see where this is going, the most astute financiers amoung you)  Well the repair or replacement of the die now had to be amortized, and the fenders coming out were priced somewhat higher than the old ones.  It also peculiarly made the left fender considerably higher in price than the right! Some call this a "rip off" or "price gouging".  Call it what you want but sometimes there's an explanation.  Similarly, every once in a while you'll find seemingly identical parts--a left this or a right that, that have vastly different prices for similar reasons.  Doesn't make immediate sense until you uncover why.

Also, everything that a car manufacturer offers for their cars has to be tested a bit more extensively than an aftermarket product--which may not be tested at all.  Something as seemingly innocuous as a bolt-on fender flare, when offered by a manufacturer, must go through extensive crash or other testing which is ungodly expensive.  Joe's Speed Shop which makes essentially the same fender flare, need not go through any testing, doesn't pay the liability insurance, etc. and thus can offer it less costly.  Does that make the more expensive Mercedes parts a "rip off" or "price gouging" compared to aftermarket?  You be the judge, but just understand some of the components of manufacturer pricing.


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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2008, 10:01:19 »
I don't know...I think this website is a rip off.  It takes a lot of my time!  :twisted:

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2008, 17:37:12 »
Dan,

I don't entirely have an issue with the discussion of vendors here, not to the extent that you might.  But just using words like Rip Off get to me--you have to look just a little deeper.

Mr. Abe probably should have said something to the effect of "David Lidquist did good work at an exceptionally good price, probably less that Palo Alto or N. Hollywood."  Since he didn't send anything to the latter, he shouldn't have said rip off.  But, the nature of some of us is that if a price is higher somewhere else, than it's a rip off.  Other look at differently: sometime you just find an exceptionally good deal or vendor.

But, there are bad deals and bad vendors out there, and to not discuss them is as bad as anything else.

Well here's the difference between a good vendor and one who is something other than that.

When I wanted a grill surround, K&K asked if I "wanted the kind that fits or the kind that doesn't".

When I wanted a gas tank, K&K asked if I "wanted the kind that fit or the kind that needs work on the filler neck".

Less than good vendors wouldn't offer the choice.  Less than that, they'd pass the inferior one off as perfect and blame it on someone else when it didn't fit.

The real test of a vendor, however, isn't the price, or the deal, or how things are when all is rosy.  It's how they react when things are not--when things are lost, damaged, mis-shipped, or just plain overstated.

I'm just very happy that most work I've had done has been good, and I've had a combination of savvy and good luck (I don't know how much of either) and have only found good vendors.  I've heard about the bad ones, and even seen their ads, but have stayed away.  Lucky me!

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2008, 19:07:46 »
I have had 2 sets of gauges and 2 clocks done by Palo Alto.  They did a fine job but I paid a fine price.  I think it is worth paying a slight premium to know with absolute certainty that by the time the gauge or clock is "painfully" re-installed, it will work.

I don't see anything in Abe's post that is offensive and I think honest feedback about vendors (both positive and negative) is appropriate for this forum and can be valuable to the membership.

I am not in favor of editing member posts unless they promote non-relevant views, such as politics, wars, religion or attack other members.  Open, fair discussion should be encouraged, and if we sometimes get a little casual with our comments, it shows we are human.

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2008, 17:43:27 »
MY GOD! I am gone for a week  sailing in the BVIs and this is what I come home to.  Geeee, I have had my 280sl  since  1991 and have done alot of work on it.  ALL I SAID IS I DOUBT THAT NH OR PALO can do it for that price....I never mentioned anything about their quality of work.  I had work done on another instrument about 15 years ago with PA...no problem.  YOU GUYS ARE READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS! BTW, I found this guy on your own site....do a  search and you will find th a similar comment about cost effective fix to our clocks.  
The reason I mentioned those two companies was that they told me just to look and diagnose was 65-80....this guy had to install a coil, plus clean, adjust....including shipping it was $80! Why should I retract anything I said? I can see how the ripping us off can imply NH or PA....it was meant more as a general statement to those who have the parts and knowledge to keep our cars running and are charging alot of money for the service....I found it refreshing to find someone who loves his craft/work and wanted to pass it on.  

I really love your personal attacks Benz Dr...Life is too sweet to carry so much anger

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Re: Clock Repair......highly rec
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 03:57:41 »
Hello Abe,

It was a bit stormy while you were out sailing, but "our ship" is now back on course...
Bob

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MY GOD! I am gone for a week  sailing in the BVIs and this is what I come home to.  Geeee, I have had my 280sl  since  1991 and have done alot of work on it.  ALL I SAID IS I DOUBT THAT NH OR PALO can do it for that price....I never mentioned anything about their quality of work.  I had work done on another instrument about 15 years ago with PA...no problem.  YOU GUYS ARE READING TOO MUCH INTO THIS! BTW, I found this guy on your own site....do a  search and you will find th a similar comment about cost effective fix to our clocks.  
The reason I mentioned those two companies was that they told me just to look and diagnose was 65-80....this guy had to install a coil, plus clean, adjust....including shipping it was $80! Why should I retract anything I said? I can see how the ripping us off can imply NH or PA....it was meant more as a general statement to those who have the parts and knowledge to keep our cars running and are charging alot of money for the service....I found it refreshing to find someone who loves his craft/work and wanted to pass it on.  

I really love your personal attacks Benz Dr...Life is too sweet to carry so much anger

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