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New car arrived - now what?
« on: December 14, 2006, 16:06:21 »


Added as the story goes on: 02 April 2007

My car is now finally on the road - he's a tip many will forget though most will know is something we should do: what those in the military term 'halt parades' i.e. when you drive something for the first time after a long time of not having done so, check a few things after you've covered a few miles:

- Look inside the engine bay and check for leaks; hoses, pipes, gaskets, etc.

- Important: check the wheel hubs with the back of your hand to see if they're running hot (you need to have the wheel covers off for this, obviously). Use the back of your hand so you don't burn your palm, thus making driving home more unpleasant. If the hubs are hot (as opposed to vaguely warm) you need to deal with it. Hopefully they just need more grease, but worst case it could be a bearing. Either way, you need to check. (I did so after 4 miles - my front hubs were hot = problem; yet to be investigated).

- Check undre the car for any leaks you may not have seen in the engine bay.

'Halt parades' or call them what you will, could identify a problem early, such as a loss of fluid, or bearing on the way out. If you haven't driven the car for a long time, it could save you lots of money for the sake of a few minutes checking things.







2.5 months after having bought my 1967 230SL manual, (light blue, dark blue hood) car over the internet (we’ve been over that), my car has arrived from the US, through Bremerhaven and is now united with me in Germany. As I watched it approach on the transporter today my heart was in my mouth having no real idea of the condition. I’ve now had a cursory look over it before it is examined by the German government types who have to approve the car for road use, may God bless their efficient souls. I have no doubt they’ll flag up umpteen things that need to be done before I can register it, so it’ll be trailered off to my garage and then the fun begins. Not. I shall post photos shortly.

The car has some problems. Whilst it seems structurally sound (not yet removed the sills/rocker panels/rip out the boot carpet in full, etc) there are holes in the floor panels sufficient to have to mop out the drivers side when the car came off the truck. It starts well and the engine sounds good. I have no receipts for work done and so am assuming all key components will require examination.

So, I’m now asking myself where to start with examination and remedial maintenance. I’ve been looking through the site for a while and have compiled a list that I would like the more experienced to cast a final eye over before I start buying stuff. Please tell me what else might be added to the list.  (And perhaps with a little effort and feedback this could become an article on the technical forum: ‘The First Few Steps.’ Many new owners ask the same question and whilst I know there is a great deal of info on the site, the fact that new car owners will probably be new members, ergo not familiar with the site, it follows that they will also be unfamiliar with the excellent search tool. It would be easier, perhaps, to point them (me) to a link in the tech forum).

The info:

- Tyre pressure
- Replace all fluids (motor oil, trans, coolant, injection pump, steering, differential, brakes…and switch to synthetic lubricants
- check brake pads disks, handbrake and adjust where necessary
- check shocks, springs
- filters & filter seals
- grease the suspension & drive line grease fittings
- change engine belts
- change coolant hoses
- check the whole fuel system for rust (how exactly??)
- test the ignition system (timing, gap, dwell, etc.)
- retighten the head bolts
- adjust the valve clearance
- check timing chain for slack
- do a compression test and leak down test
- testing the electric fuel pump's delivery rate and pressure

(Basically a direct left from a thread by rwmastel – copyright reserved, etc)

Add in the useful tips from knirk about maintenance with which no one seems to disagree:

- Add 2 dl (2/10 of a liter) two stroke oil to every tank of gas. (to lubricate the fuel injection pump elements and the fuel injectors)

- When setting the ignition timing: Don't worry about the lower range (idle - 1500) settings. Use the 30 deg. at 3000rpm (without vacum).

- When adjusting idle speed and CO: Aim for an idle rpm of 800. The CO value should be 4.5%. It should be this rich to avoid slow response when accelerating from idle. Always adjust the idle speed with the idle air screw, and then read the CO.

Finally, and at the risk of having this overlooked after a long and frankly rather basic thread, can anyone advise on repairing a small (2”) rip in the hood before I simply dig the puncture repair kit from my saddlebag?

ANY advice/feedback gratefully received, as ever.


James



« Last Edit: April 02, 2007, 01:10:19 by jameshoward »
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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 09:24:47 »
James,
Congratulatinos!  I'm sure you'll have this car on the road in due time and you'll love every minute of it.

quote:
Originally posted by jameshoward

- check the whole fuel system for rust (how exactly??)

- Remove the fuel guage sender unit from trunk floor. (Buy a replacement cork seal.)  Shine flashlight into fuel tank through hole, look for sediment.  If there is any, drain tank can clean it out as best you can.  Buy a new in-tank filter, not too expensive.  If it's really bad, you might need to get it boiled out and a sealing kit applied.  If it's really really bad, you might need to buy a new one.  Forum searches will provide more detail.
- See if your electric fuel pump has a filter screen on it's input side.  If so, clean it.
- Remove your main fuel filter & replace.  Examine what's in it, and in the filter housing.  Replace seals when replacing filter.
- Remove your 6 injectors and send them to be tested to make sure they open at the proper pressure.  If dirty/crusty, apparently they can be cleaned in an ultrasound tank (water?) to produce a better spray pattern.
- Test the electric connection & controls to the injector on the intake manifold, the cold start valve (CSV).  If it is getting power at, and for, the appropriate time, then check it for leaks by removing the small bolt on the side.
- Of course, you already mentioned the fuel flow rate test.  I just wanted to reiterate it's importance in finding blockage of fuel lines, possibly indicating corroded lines.

This should clean up and test your fuel system, except we didn't mention the main fuel injector pump.  Leave it for last as it probably works fine.  It just might need adjustment later.

quote:
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- Add 2 dl (2/10 of a liter) two stroke oil to every tank of gas. (to lubricate the fuel injection pump elements and the fuel injectors)
It's been written that M-B does not recommend any fuel additives.  The pump has a lubrication method and I'm not sure what the benefit would be for the injectors.  Maybe others would like to weigh in on this theory?

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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 10:56:17 »
Hello James, and welcome to the Pagoda Brotherhood - -

One detail you neglected to include is  a short summation of your restoration/mechanical skills and experience.

If you let us  know a little more about your level of expertise, those of us who choose to respond to your posts can more effectively address the issues. However, from reviewing your punch-list of work areas I surmise we can "go deeply technical" right from the start?  

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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 12:04:28 »
James - I would add to the list checking the tachometer/oil pump drive gears because of the possibility of the bearing wearing to the point of the oil pump disengaging. There are several posts on this, including possibly one of Joe Alexander's excellent "tours".

Other usual wear & tear & deterioration suspects: flex disk in the drive line; engine, transmission and subframe mounts; rear differential mount; other suspension rubber; cold start mechanisms (on the fuel injection pump as well as the intake manifold CSV); resistance through the ignition wiring; condition and suitability of the ballast resistor(s) and the coil; the infamous oil filter 'garden hose' seal; charging capacity of the alternator/voltage regulator; aiming of the headlamps; besides tire pressure, the tire condition (cracks or other signs that could indicate a safety hazard?).

Good luck!

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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 14:32:16 »
quote:
Originally posted by jameshoward

So, I’m now asking myself where to start with examination and remedial maintenance. I’ve been looking through the site for a while and have compiled a list that I would like the more experienced to cast a final eye over before I start buying stuff. Please tell me what else might be added to the list.  (And perhaps with a little effort and feedback this could become an article on the technical forum: ‘The First Few Steps.’ Many new owners ask the same question and whilst I know there is a great deal of info on the site, the fact that new car owners will probably be new members, ergo not familiar with the site, it follows that they will also be unfamiliar with the excellent search tool. It would be easier, perhaps, to point them (me) to a link in the tech forum).
James,
This is a very good idea.  We could provide an overall summary for people who want to buy or just bought a Pagoda.  I'll start a new thread on this specific topic, so look for that instead of replying here.

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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 14:33:34 »
quote:
Originally posted by jameshoward

So, I’m now asking myself where to start with examination and remedial maintenance.
Do you havea an owner's manual?  You could simply perform ALL the maintenance on the schedule so that everything is done once, then move on from there.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 15:19:13 »
Rodd, Larry, Cees,

Thank you for your points. I will add now that much of what's been written is a little bewildering, as I am at the early learning stage. I know a bit about the theory of the horseless carriage and internal combustion, but the practical elements have eluded me - until now. (Larry, I hope that answers your question - I am not a Luddite, but neither am I about to embark on any major restoration without having masses of print outs from this site; not "deep technical" then). To that end, Cees, your post about "flex disk in the drive line" whilst clearly important, leaves me somewhat bemused. I am sure I'll figure it out!

Rodd, I do have an owners manual, and I intend to start with the execellent diagram therein. I will also cheat and get an olditmer (Germany, remember) mechanic to go over the car to ensure its safety. (He's a Jaguar/Austin Healy man really, but we've had a chat and whilst I doubt he'd be prepared to work on the fuel injection system, I trust him with the basics/more commplicated bits. I'll just sweep the shop floor and try to learn).

I will get him to check all the mounts, Cees, that's a good point and I will add it to my list, above.

Other than Rodd, no one has commented on my contentious statement quoting the Norweigan gentlemen who recommends using 2 stroke oil in each tank. How does the fuel pump lubricate itself?

Thank you again for your advice. I will hopefully spring the car from the Deutsches Fun Polizei next week and will post photos then. There will, at some stage, be progress!

Incidenatlly, whilst checking the car again today prior to the inspection, the accelerator pedal broke off at the floor plate. It was rusted through. I would apprecaite any advice as to whether I need: (a) a new complete assembly; (b) a new pedal fixing to rejoin the pedal to the floor or whether (c) I can just conduct a local repair. I understand that (b) would be expensive (there is a budgetary issue here) so if anyone can advise on (a) or (c) I would be most grateful. (Or (d))!

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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 17:39:48 »
Hey James. The fact that the car "starts well and the engine sounds good" is a nice step in the right direction. I think some of the "laundry list" of items mentioned here are things you can get to eventually. In the meantime, I'd do basic maintenance -- fluids, filters, tire check, AND be sure brakes are functional. To paraphrase a wise ol' Pagoda expert, getting the car to go is nice, getting it to stop is essential! Other stuff (shocks, springs, flex whateverya callits, mounts, etc.) can probably wait until you get some driving pleasure out of your little lovebug. I am hoping THAT is why you bought it! Good luck!

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 18:29:05 »
Replace the shift linkage bushings right away, whether it's a manual or auto.  They all fail eventually, and eventually seems to be in the last five years for many.  Hope you enjoy the car!

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2006, 20:05:07 »
There are 3 tips I got from this board early in my journey with the w113, at the risk of repeating them:

1.)Check that the little rubber ring that belongs on the upper end of the oil filter tube is there.  Most of the cars that have not been in the hands of enthusiasts have lost is along the way
2.)Read the stuff about the tach drive bushing, it may save you a costly repair as a failure here can lead to failed oil pump...yikes.
3.)When you change oil in the diff. only fill to level of bottom of drain hole with the car on level ground and with wheels on the ground in normal attitude, otherwise you will overfill.

Enjoy your new ride,

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Re: New car arrived - now what?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2006, 22:21:33 »
Another item to check Jim,
I bought a used car one time, the previous owner accidentally left the rear lugs loose on one wheel.  As I was driving down the road trying to diagnose the vibration, the tire came completely off!

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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 08:14:28 »
quote:
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3.)When you change oil in the diff. only fill to level of bottom of drain hole with the car on level ground and with wheels on the ground in normal attitude, otherwise you will overfill.
Don't remove the drain bolt until you first remove the fill bolt.  No sense in letting the fluid out if you can't refill!!

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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2006, 19:52:55 »
quote:
Originally posted by jameshoward

Other than Rodd, no one has commented on my contentious statement quoting the Norweigan gentlemen who recommends using 2 stroke oil in each tank. How does the fuel pump lubricate itself?


Hello James here is Joes' Injection pump TOUR
http://index.php?topic=790

Check the oil level in the injection pump reservoir.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2006, 00:04:35 »
If you were to do all the things the Group is advising plus the ones you listed you shall be financially broke and most probably driving the car next year :)

My advise just get it passing the test - do as minimal as possible and then start fixing whenever you have problems.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2006, 06:14:45 »
Abbas said:  "My advise just get it passing the test - do as minimal as possible and then start fixing whenever you have problems."

Abbas, that's just it.  The dreaded test by TUV is like the one I mentioned for CH for your friend: it's up on the hoist, and all systems and structures checked.  From James' list and comments it sounds as if he knows that any little excuse TUV can come up with will prevent his car from passing.

James, I don't know how strict they are on rust "issues," because none of our cars has any, but I can imagine that you will not be allowed any structural rust at all (sills, suspension, et al.).

I believe your rip can be addressed by an English company--I have to ask My Lord and Master where he got the wonderful soft-top repair kit he used on my 500SL--it completely restored the colour and waterproof too.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2006, 06:27:36 »
Trice,

You clearly know the score over here - there is a vast amount that the TUV can pick up on, but I'm aware of that so I'll be interesting to see what happens on Tuesday (I'll post the info if it's not TOO depressing). Abbas does have a point, though. There is a balance to be struck and that's why I support this thread http://index.php?topic=6271

My main effort is to get the car on the road and legal. Once I've done that, I can get stuck into the 'other things' that need doing. Given where I live and the location of my mechanic, lack of a workship at home, etc, life will be significantly more complicated if I am unable to drive the car.

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