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bpossel

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Optional Equipment
« on: February 24, 2007, 16:48:58 »
Hi All!

Did this group ever do a post on optional equipment?  When was optional equipment no longer optional?

For example, on the later 280SLs, was the pass side mirror a standard item?  Was the rear defrost a standard item?  What options that were options on earlier models became standard on the later models?

Thanks!
Bob

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2007, 10:22:02 »
I think there was a Pagoda World article about this, a reprint from the Mercedes Collector article.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2007, 11:22:58 »
The article on options was (re)published in Pagoda World in the Winter 2005 issue. This was a reprint from the Frank Mallory magazinem, and the article was written by Michael Egan. It includes a brief description of the options and also a very nice grid that shows when options were available.

Also published in the Frank Mallory magazine was a list of the changes for the 230 and 250 SL (translated from the Engelen book) that sometimes references when an item became standard.



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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2007, 11:40:43 »
Bob,

I think the bigger change over the years, at least among the US-spec vehicles, is how the cars were delivered to the dealer. Michael Egan makes an important distinction in his article about US vs. Euro buyers -- the Euro buyer tended to purchase a "bespoke" vehicle with specific options, whereas the US buyer tended to purchase what was on the dealer's lot.

For whatever reason, it appears that, over time, the US market received cars that were increasingly "loaded" with air, auto trans, etc. Technically, these were all still optional, but Pagodas were increasingly fitted with these features towards the end of production.

I've got to think this was based on a combo of profit motive, assumptions about what their particular consumer wanted (i.e., what would sell), and an increasingly affluent market, but I'd love to hear Klaus' insight on this since he's a former D-B employee.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2007, 13:59:47 »
Wasn't there a reprint of the Michael Egan article which was reprinted in Classic Mercedes collector? I'm sure I have seen in recently in a magazine. Maybe Classic Car or Classic and Sportscar or Classics for all or Practical Classics or Classic car mart or Classics mercedes or Classic Car monthly or Classic sportscars or Classic Marques or Classic dream cars or Classic driver or My Classic or Classic roundup or Classic mart or Classic Cars for Sale or Classic car Market? I might be wrong.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2007, 17:37:26 »
Nick,

See posts below.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2007, 18:28:49 »
Bob,

I'm trying to determine if cars made in Jan. & Feb. of 1971 for U.S. import had the passenger side mirror and rear window defroster as standard factory installed equipment. I may buy a late 71 silver/red restored car that doesn't have either and I've asked for data card codes to determine if these were on the car. Would these two options be on the data card? Thanks.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2007, 19:45:33 »
Don't know if this is definative in any way.  It is a list of "standard" features for a '65 230SL.  It has a form number printed on it and says printed in the USA.  I think it was taped to the window, because there is Scotch tape around the back of the form.

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Vince Canepa

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2007, 20:23:20 »
The passenger side mirror was never standard equipment in the U.S.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2007, 09:46:17 »
The option code list was published last in Pagoda World Issue 8, October 2006.
Each sales market resp. Importer could decide individually which options they wanted to be standard in that country. Cars in Germany always had the minimum standard equipment, US versions were among those with the maximum standard equipment. Douglas described the reason below.
Passenger side rearview mirror is on the data card, code 502 or 506.
Rear window defroster is also on the data card, code 246, 247, 248 or 249, depending on model and type of glass.
Douglas, in the US about half of the cars were ordered by the dealers with the options and color combinations they thought would sell best. The other half were specified by MBNA for stock and allocated to dealers after their arrival in the US. Those specifications were always on the safe side, i.e. no controversial color combinations etc.

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2007, 12:08:26 »
All,

 :) Thank you for your replies and the info!
Very informative and helpful!
Regards,
Bob

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 13:54:24 »
Can you tell me where I can find the Pagoda World magazine article?  Is it available online or is this only a print magazine?
Sounds very interesting.
thanks

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 17:42:19 »
From David's standard equipment form, I am particularly impressed with having an Oil Filter on the list.  Were cars ever (in the automotive dark ages) shipped without them?

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 18:17:11 »
Hi David,

"my guess" would be that maybe there were different types of oil filters...  A special filter used to break-in the engine, then a standard filter...?  Only a guess....
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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2007, 21:36:29 »
quote:
Originally posted by Erik Bentzon

Can you tell me where I can find the Pagoda World magazine article?  Is it available online or is this only a print magazine?
Erick,

Hi.  See these two links:

http://www.sl113.org/membership/default.asp

http://index.php?topic=6545

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Re: Optional Equipment
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2007, 00:54:13 »
I'm sure I have seen in recently in a magazine. Maybe Classic Car or Classic and Sportscar or Classics for all or Practical Classics or Classic car mart or Classics mercedes or Classic Car monthly or Classic sportscars or Classic Marques or Classic dream cars or Classic driver or My Classic or Classic roundup or Classic mart or Classic Cars for Sale or Classic car Market? I might be wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by Erik Bentzon

Can you tell me where I can find the Pagoda World magazine article?  Is it available online or is this only a print magazine?
Sounds very interesting.
thanks




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