Author Topic: 230 sl 1964  (Read 6196 times)

bentleyfan123

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230 sl 1964
« on: April 13, 2007, 20:26:13 »
I am looking at a buy opportunity and have some questions.  Any help would be much appreciated.

The seller will not provide me with a VIN no "to prevent fraud".  Does this make sense to anyone?

I have chassis and engine numbers.  The cahssis no begins with 113042 -12-
From what I have been able to find out, the last digit -2- indicates an auto transmission yet this car has a 4-speed.  Does this make any sense?

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 20:33:59 »
Well Bently, you are right on that 113042-12-XXXXXX started its life as an automatic. As for the VIN -- do you have the rest of the Chassis Number? That would essentially be the VIN, I believe.

James
63 230SL
James
63 230SL

bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 20:34:33 »
quote:
Originally posted by bentleyfan123

I am looking at a buy opportunity and have some questions.  Any help would be much appreciated.

The seller will not provide me with a VIN no "to prevent fraud".  Does this make sense to anyone?

I have chassis and engine numbers.  The cahssis no begins with 113042 -12-
From what I have been able to find out, the last digit -2- indicates an auto transmission yet this car has a 4-speed.  Does this make any sense?


bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 20:35:32 »
James: thank you.   The rest of the chassis no. is 113042-12-015425

bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 20:40:14 »
And so if the chassis no is the VIN no is there any way of telling whether this is an original chassis/engine number combination?

Rolf

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 20:43:59 »
That's amazing, my vin number starts 113042-12 also. Must be a 1966.
Hope it's not my car :?:
Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 20:47:35 by Rolf »

bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 20:45:40 »
Rolf is yours a manual or auto transmission?

Rolf

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 20:52:54 »
1966 automatic and you're saying the one for sale is a 1964?

Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS

bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 20:54:06 »
Yes supposedly a 1964 manual shift

KevinC

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 20:57:23 »
Based on the number below, the car was produced in JANUARY 1966. Based on the 12 designation it rolled out of the factory as an auto trans (or at least the car with this VIN did!).

http://http://www.sl113.org/data/prod_month.asp

quote:
Originally posted by bentleyfan123

James: thank you.   The rest of the chassis no. is 113042-12-015425



Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
2007 Lava Gray Audi Q7
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 21:02:03 by KevinC »

Rolf

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 20:59:42 »
Your entire vin number is higher than mine.My number is 113042-12-012668. Wouldn't it be lower to be a 1964?


Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS

al_lieffring

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 21:10:37 »
You will need to check the chassis number stamped into the right front frame rail underneath the throttle bodty to see if it matches the number plate that is screwed onto the firewall.
And yes, you are right, the code would be 10 for a stick shift, 12 for an automatic.
Unless the car is selling for a "What you see it what you get" price, steer clear, something smells fishy here.
The modifications needed to switch a car from automatic to stick shift would be extensive and it would be unlikely someone would have done this as part of a motor swap or other mechanical repair. I won't speculate further but the possibilities here, whether through innocence, ignorance or fradulent intent, are limitless and provably burried deep in the car's 43 year history.

Al


66 230sl
113-042-10-014715
904/396 blue, Ivory Tex
condition: not-as-rusty-as-before-bucket

bentleyfan123

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 21:12:21 »
Kevin/Rolf/James thank you for your help.  I think what I am looking at must be a bastsrdized re-build.  Here is the e-bay link:http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140106010034&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=004

Rolf

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 21:32:32 »
You are welcome.  The seller displays the vin number on the site. The papers say it's a 1966 but an automatic. The date of delivery was    9-21-1966 to Tulsa Ok. I believe the way the spare is stored in wrong also. Mine is horizontal on the right.

Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 21:40:45 by Rolf »

64sl_robs

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 23:25:41 »
i have a 64 sl for sale here
http://index.php?topic=6010

Rolf

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Re: 230 sl 1964
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2007, 13:38:54 »
I emailed the seller of the 1964 230SL.  He told me the pictures of the service book were wrong and that the correct vin number is 113042 10 002214. I don't know why he would include those pictures with this car if they weren't for it. He also said he would email a copy of the title to the car.  Just to let you know.

Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS