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james

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electronic iginition for 230ls
« on: August 02, 2007, 10:05:05 »
could anyone help with the proper electronic iginition to install and where to get it?
jim

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al_lieffring

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2007, 10:34:44 »
quote:
Originally posted by james

could anyone help with the proper electronic iginition to install and where to get it?
jim

Jim



Hey Jim

I installed a PerTronics breakerless kit and coil on my 66 230sl with Bosch 051 distributor.

#PNX-1864LA (breakerless kit)
#PNX-4001  (coil)

I ordered them online from Summit Racing.



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jacovdw

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2007, 14:18:00 »
Hello all,

Just curious (not wanting to hijack a thread), but after searching through all the previous threads, I have not found a conclusive answer.

Quite a lot has been said about the Bosch 051 distributor used in later 230sl's, 250 and 280sl's.

Has anyone used the Pertronix setup on an early 230sl with a 0 231 116 046 Bosch distributor (vacuum advance)?

Regards,


Jaco van der Walt
1964 w113 230sl
1975 w114 230.6

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 07:54:18 »
Jaco,

You have not found a definitive answer because there isn't one.  Both the Crane and Pertronix, when installed properly, will work well.  There are fans of both.

One member, Jim Villers, has had 2 box failures of the Crane.  The Pertronix has no box--all self contained in the distributor.  Others have had some issues with the Pertronix, particularly misfiring at high RPM or trouble at idle.

The Pertronix is a quicker, cleaner and easier install, and for that reason alone is worth your first try. It is easier to remove and go back to points.  It is less then $100.  Pertronix and Crane both have excellent technical support and if you tell them the kind of distributor you have they'll make the recommendation for you.

I've had both and when both were working they were great.  I removed the Crane after 5 years because the internal shutter wheel was always the wrong size and it eventually interfered with the wire going to the optical breaker.  But for 5 years it was perfect.  The Pertronix is in now, and I've been under hard acceleration past 5500 RPM and no misfire.

Those that swear by points, point out what are you going to do when the unit fails in the middle of nowhere?  Well, first of all if that concerns you, once you get your electronic ignition installed and working properly, buy a spare and keep it in your car.  Just the same as if you'd have spare points, rotor, condenser and cap with you.  Yes a few more dollars/euros but cheap insurance if you get stuck somewhere.

There is a third option that has been mentioned before and that is an entirely new (made in Netherlands) electronic distributor.  A bit expensive but it eliminates the distributor as an issue.  I don't have the name handy but do a search here and you'll find it.  You know after 30-40 years there is hardly a distributor that doesn't need something when you take it apart and look.  Springs, bushings, weights, etc.  Our own Dr. Benz here, who rebuilds them, said something to that effect recently.

Most important however is this: the idea to go to electronic ignition rarely comes on a whim.  It comes to try and correct some issue which rarely is related to the points!  Therefore changing the ignition system doesn't change the problem you might have and introduces another variable!

Bottom line?  Ensure your car's ignition, timing, wires, coil, and most importantly, your vacuum advance and distributor etc. are all tip-top and working PERFECTLY before going to electronic.  That will ensure a smooth transition.

Both points and electronic systems get "bad raps" when it is overall poor maintenance (usually related to previous owners) that creates a problem you are trying to solve.

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2007, 11:33:42 »
I have done some research of this topic through this forum and agree with Everything Mike S. says particularly about making sure everything else is in check.  The main reason one would change over is for convenience and not to fix a problem.

I have read that the Crane unit works regardless of the amount of wear on the distributor where the Pertronix is sensative to distributor wear.

Also, the 3rd option Mike refers to is "123ignition"  I think Cees has this in his car.  If you do a search, try with and without a space between 123 and ignition.

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2007, 11:41:49 »
I think Mike's assessment is right on too... but I think Jaco was hoping for a different definitive answer: if the Pertronix model used by others with later dizzies will also work on earlier ones. Or would there be a different model for the 046... I think that was it, right Jaco?

James
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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2007, 12:39:56 »
Thank you all for the replies.

I agree with Michael on what he mentioned. At the moment I'm still running with points. My car runs very well and there is no need to change over to an electronic system just yet. Standard solid copper core plug wires, new Bosch red coil with appropriate ballast and Bosch W7DC plugs formed part of the ignition makeover last year. By the way, here in South Africa, the non-resistor Bosch plugs are still readily available.

I have used the Pertronix in my W114 with a Bosch 048 distributor for a number of years without any problems at all. Apart from advance curve, there is no difference in appearance between the 046 and the 048 distributors.

This is were James's post come in. There are 4 different distributors used in the 230sl's alone during the production run. I am trying to see if someone else used a Pertronix unit for a later distributor on their car with an earlier distributor.

I had a look at the 123ignition setup. Neat, but don't like the idea of a shiny distributor body. I am unfortunately a sucker for originality...[:p]

Regards,

Jaco van der Walt
1964 w113 230sl
1975 w114 230.6

james

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 15:01:09 »
Thanks everyone for your imput's
Jim

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jacovdw

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Re: electronic iginition for 230ls
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 12:54:36 »
Gentlemen,

Just an update to share with you all.

I mentioned before that I used points in my 230sl's 046 distributor - up until yesterday at least. After quite a bit of research and correspondence with our local Pertronix distributor here in South Africa I decided to take the plunge.

There are no modules listed in the Pertronix catalogue for early 230sl's with vacuum advance distributors. I purchased the following kit #1864A. I have used the same kit in my W114 with a Bosch 048 distributor since 1999 without any problems.

First I had the distributor rebuilt and set to factory spec. Installation of the module is pretty simple. The only modification required was to remove some material from the vacuum advance arm to enable the magnet ring to fit properly.

Started right up after installation. Timing adjusted and performed well without any problems on several road tests. Engine remained stable right up to 4500rpm.

Have a look a this link where kit #1864A was installed in a 1959 W180 220s with a Bosch VJUR 6 BR 38 distributor: http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/ignitionpert/ignitionpert.htm

I hope that this would be of help to those who are looking to replace the points in their early vacuum advance distributors.

Regards,





Jaco van der Walt
1964 w113 230sl
1975 w114 230.6