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What's this?
« on: September 05, 2003, 15:35:45 »
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2003, 17:11:08 »
It's a control shaft off a '57 Mix-Master. :D
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2003, 23:35:40 »
Almost correct, but not quite. Any other takers?
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1969 Mercedes 280 SL automatic
1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
1983 Porsche 944 2.5
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2003, 06:01:28 »
How about a hint?
Also, I'm curious about what kind of camera was able to take a photo that close. Was it digital? It's a nice shot, Cees.
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2003, 09:01:22 »
The camera is a digital Sony, DSC-S70. I took these photos (using the 'micro' up-close setting) when I was rebuilding a particularly energetic part of the car, so I would know how to put all the shimmies, washers, and little nuts and bolts back in they way they came out. BTW I am redoing another one of these right now! The fresh coat of flat black paint is drying as I am typing this ...
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1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2003, 09:55:26 »
Starter solenoid?
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2003, 11:23:49 »
Nope - but it's an electrical device for sure, that is essential for starting AND running. I know JA17, Dr. Benz, and Naj will know right away!  :twisted:
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1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
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1983 Porsche 944 2.5
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2003, 12:32:03 »
You are killing me with this one!  Two more guesses:
FI pump solenoid
Cold start valve
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2003, 14:20:41 »
No no no
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1969 Mercedes 280 SL automatic
1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
1983 Porsche 944 2.5
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2003, 15:01:45 »
Distributor shaft?
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2003, 15:49:39 »
Right on Will  :) .
The first photo was taken from the top of the shaft, on which the centrifugal weights are positioned. The small cuffmarks on the brown gasket-type surface are from the constant rubbing of the weights as they move in and out depending on RPM's. On the edges you can make out the posts that the little springs hold onto that pull the centrifugal weights back inward.
On this top part of the shaft actually sits another small shaft that supports the plates that, in turn, are the hosts to the points and are attached to the vacuum advance/retard mechanism. This photo also shows the little springs:
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The second photo shows the shaft from the bottom - you can see the various type washers and their orientation. The screw is one of two that holds the plate with the spring-posts.
The last photo I'll post on this is from the bottom end of the shaft, where it engages with all those gears that also drive the oil pump, FI pump and tachometer. Before driving out the pin that keeps this bottom part on the shaft (which you need to do to take the shaft out of the distributor housing), always make sure to mark the orientation on the shaft: because although it looks like it does not make any difference - actually there is, and you can re-install 180 degrees off, naturally causing a timing problem later on. So I marked the bottom of the shaft to make sure I would put the bottom part back on the same way that it came off:
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I find it a lot of fun taking these old, greasy/dirty distributors all apart, removing play, replacing springs, shims, washers etc., thoroughly cleaning, painting and then re-assembling them. Takes about three hours and $50 in parts (Dr. Benz / Dan Caron sells complete kits). Sure beats buying a new one (around $600 here in The Netherlands). It's one of those jobs you can do in your kitchen! Thanks to Dan and Naj for the parts & helpful hints.
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'69 white 280 SL automatic
Cees Klumper
1969 Mercedes 280 SL automatic
1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
1983 Porsche 944 2.5
1990 Ford Bronco II

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Re: What's this?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2003, 03:53:01 »
That was fun...believe it or not I kinda knew what it was because of what looks like two red felt pads. I've never seen the distr shaft on the Mercedes but a '66 Mustang distributor has a felt pad near the top of the shaft that has to be oiled once in a while...
Cees: This was very instructional. I suggest you do a complete tear down of the body, interior, and engine of your car so you can post more pictures for our entertainment  :o)
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2003, 05:49:04 »
Ok, here is a pic,
what is it from and what is the coil type thing on the shaft?
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2003, 13:43:24 »
One of the FI pump solenoids? Or is it from a '57 Mix-Master ??
Richard - complete teardown of my engine is forthcoming. Will take lots of pics so that's my advance warning  ;) . I will try to look for things that look like they might have had a counterpart in '60-ies Mustangs  :)
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1968 Ford Mustang 302 V8
1961 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Coupe 1600
1962 FIAT 1500S OSCA convertible
1972 Lancia Fulvia Coupe 1.3
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2003, 00:16:49 »
Hi Bob,
Wouldn't be the "bellows seal" on the fuel pump shaft, would it?  (If it IS, I obviously need to get a "life"  :) )!!
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2003, 05:40:14 »
Hi Will,
Yes it is the BELLOWS seal of the OLD STYLE LARGE electric fuel pump.
GET A LIFE !
The reason I have that pic is that I have just refurbished my OLD STYLE fuel pump.
I figure you must have done this job too?
I replaced the bearings (#626 and #627) and all the "O-RINGS"
2x BS034.N70 motor body seals
1x BS039.N70 pump end cover seal
1x 5x1 mm bellows shaft seal
It now is sitting in the car and humming away under the big old protector CAN.
The o-rings and bearings were in-expensive and readily available.
The bellows seal was not leaking, but I replaced the o-ring anyway.
The total cost of parts (bearings and o-rings) was about $17.00 including tax.
I didn't replace the brushes (additional $30.00) because they had about half their length left. Not bad after 36 years and 159,000 miles.
If you haven't done this yet and have it on your list of things to do and need some advice contact me and I will tell you what I know.
I had help from George Des on Dorians' site.
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2003, 13:21:57 »
G'day Bob,
Yes, I've re-done mine as well.  My bearings and brushes were ok, so more of a cleaning/greasing affair.
I had a tiny hole in the bellows seal (I suspect I did this myself being clumsy during the disassembly).  I fixed it using a tiny drop of solder.
The impellor had too much rotational play on the shaft, so I added a tiny sliver of tin-plate behind the "key".
There was some scoring on both the impellor and the cover, which I cleaned up a bit, but didn't totally remove.
Pressure and volume are still a bit weak, but it hums-away nicely, and the car seems to run okay (but i'm always on the lookout for a spare!)
Got lots of help from George Des as well - he's the "guru" of SL pumps!
Now, to go and find that "Life"....  :)
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2003, 13:58:21 »
Hey Will,
You are right George Des is the GURU of these pumps. He is very generous with his time and information.
I am not a fluids mechanic/engineer, so I was amazed at his explanation of the principle of operation of the bellows seal.
I tested my fuel flow on the bench and it delivered 1.5 litres in 13 seconds. I only had a 2 litre container so I had to stop the test early.
I think it is a good idea to buy another pump and refurbish it as a spare.
My neighbour said I should go out and buy a new modern pump for about $100.00 and put that in the cannister and no one would know.
I WOULD!
It is a very rewarding job to do and only cost about $17.00. I am way ahead and with the genuine pump.
Did you take pictures and document the procedure for the future?
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Re: What's this?
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2003, 20:56:26 »
Hi Bob,
When I did this job, I only had a very lo-res digital camera, so only took one picture as "proof" that I actually had the pump apart.  I did save all the write-ups however, including your part-numbers, for "next time" (yikes!).
I should do another pressure/volume, test now that it has had a chance to run for a thousand miles or so, because the brushes may not have been totally seated to the commutator right after the cleaning.
Will W14
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