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Bob G ✝︎

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Pagoda Article in Sports Car Market
« on: May 07, 2008, 01:29:08 »
I found an interesting article by known automotive seller and historian Alex Dearborn. Page#128 of Keith Martin's Sports Car Market publication June 2008.

Mr.Dearborn makes a statement that "the price of restored older 230SL and 250SL pre emission Pagoda SLs are becoming more desirable due to rarer options like square weave carpeting, more chrome and the famous ZF-5 speed option and are catching up and with later production 280SLs in price according to auction data recorded by the SCM Platinum database, but may not reflect all public sales".

for a copy contact your local magazine store, or contact
-1800-289-2819 website www.sportscarmarket.com

Happy motoring
Bob Geco
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Re: Pagoda Article in Sports Car Market
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 05:57:02 »
FWIW, the data presented by John Olsen and his panel of experts on all SL pricing indicates [on the 113 side] a wide disparity between 230, 250 and 280SL's.  Early 230's pricing is substantially less than later 280's.

To wit: consider a "condition 3" car, which is in the middle of the pack on pricing.  (Worn original, higher miles, repaint, mix of aftermarket/NOS parts or older components)

230SL: $26,510
280SL: $39,835 (MY 70/71)

Who agrees on these prices?  A panel of 7 experts and John Olsen.  One of the experts on the panel is Alex Dearborn.

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Re: Pagoda Article in Sports Car Market
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 21:52:35 »
Public sales market prices and auction prices tend toward large differences... the latter generally outpacing the former.  However, it is also noted that when auction prices see a sustained rise in a given model/year or feature car, the public market tends to follow the auction pricing trend albeit with considerable lag in time.

It's simple supply/demand economics.  I'll will admit however I do not understand the reasons for 280SL's having higher demand relative to availability (supply) than the 230SL and especially the 250SL (only ~5200 produced).  Market demand in such things is emotional, non-objective.  

My presumption for why the 280SL commands a higher price is that it's simply about the higher displacement moniker (thus higher perceived hp) + general perception that the later model SL is thus a "better" version than the other two W113's.

I've remarked as have several other 250SL owners on this site in the "230 v 250 v 280SL" thread, that the differences in cosmetics on the 280SL vs 230SL and early & even mid 250SL's are significant in many minds... and especially the minds of 230 & 250SL owners (of course).

I am also firmly of the belief that the unique characteristics of the early 250SL's with all the cosmetics of the 230SL but mechanics and mechanical/engineering improvements of the 280SL over the 230SL will eventually find a higher demand relative to available supply over either of the other models.... how long "eventually" is is open to every and any interpretation & supposition. The 2.8L displacement moniker will, however, always be preferred over lower displacement models in the general W113 market.  If the auction market is commanding higher prices for the 230SL & 250SL with lower increases in prices for the 280SL in that same market then it would portend the start of a recognition perhaps of the unique characteristics of the 230SL / 250SL versions.

I didn't buy my 250SL as an investment, though I did expect it's market price to keep pace with inflation plus a little bit perhaps, over time.... hence it wouldn't depreciate in price over time so my costs would be covered IF I didn't put any more money into it at any given point in time than it would be worth if I was forced or decided to sell it.  As a matter of fact, the appreciation over time since '84 when I purchased it has paid for my costs in restoration,  insurance, annual license fees, and maintenance.... so it's the only car I've ever owned that's break-even in use... so I drive it virtually for free so to speak.

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Re: Pagoda Article in Sports Car Market
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 10:13:27 »
Speaking of condition and pricing I was doing a little searching on pricing and there were often references to "95-100 point" cars when it comes to top prices a car might expect to bring.

I know I've never seen a 100 point pagoda in person or even close, I've seen photos on the motoring Investment site of very nice cars, don't know if they qualify as 100 point cars.

Would any of you that have high end professionaly restored cars that have been judged in that 90-100 range be willing to share close up photos of your engine compartment?

I'm sure a lot of us would love to see a car in that league, it would be very informative as well.

Mark
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« Last Edit: May 09, 2008, 10:23:21 by Mark280SL »
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