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mdsalemi

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OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« on: February 15, 2008, 08:05:33 »
I orginally posted this on the 230SL diesel thread where fuel prices were discussed, but thought that in our new order here this is where it belongs.

Call me a conspiracy theorist (I'm guilty as charged, Richard!) but regarding diesel and gasoline fuel prices, there's always an excuse to raise the prices.  In the winter it's because of "unusual demand for heating oil".  In the spring it's because the refineries are "switching over to gasoline".  Gas prices go up because "there's a shortage of MTBE" or whatever the additive du jour is; I think it is currently something called alkylate.  They never made enough MTBE and they are not making enough alkylate either.  In the midwest the excuse becomes a certain kind of fuel "summer blend" must be made to comply with air regulations, and they can't produce enough of it compared with other refinery needs.  When all else fails, you can be sure that a pipeline will break, threatening supplies from Pittsburgh, Cleveland to Detroit and Chicago.  All this raises the prices; it's funny in a tragi-comedy kind of way to see what the latest excuse will be.  When none of that works, you can be sure that Thursday and Friday will bring higher fuel prices, due to unusual predicted weekend demand...http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2008/01/31/additive_shortage_means_higher_gas_prices/  Funny, the price of a barrel of crude is almost secondary now to all these other things like refinery capacity, pipelines and additives!  (Those outside the USA think us Americans whine about gas prices when they are half of what they are in most of the world, but remember your prices are higher because of taxes.  We don't have the social programs nor do we have any public transport to speak of except in a few big cities.  Most of America does not have public transport available to them--myself included.  If everyone in the USA could move to where public transport was available, what would become of most of our housing stock, suburbs, and where exactly in the cities would we all fit?)

If it isn't fuel it's another commodity whose price is going up.  We have a shortage of de-icing compounds here--salt and calcium chloride.  They say they can't get it here because the Detroit River is frozen.  My goodness, a river frozen in winter?  When was the last time that happened? (hint: every winter). http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-saltfeb08,1,4405849.story
A 50# bag of calcium chloride has gone from about $12 to $17 when you can find it; that went up of course because they can't get the rock salt!

In December, I had some technical experts come in and try to find a leak in the underground radiant de-icing system at my car wash.  They determined it was a very small leak caused when the system is cold and not in use, and the only way to find it is to purge the system, pressurize with helium (really tiny molecules) and use a "sniffer" to find the leak.  The next day I read in the paper how there's a shortage of helium and the price is skyrocketing. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-12-02-Helium_N.htm

In the car wash business, the cost of hardware has skyrocketed because of a shortage and commensurate increase in the price of Stainless Steel; apparently this is caused by a shortage of nickel.http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/2006/s1718328.htm  The cost of plumbing--essential to car washes and darn near everything else in industry--has skyrocketed because of a shortage and commensurate increase in the price of copper;http://www.wallst.net/editorials/article.asp?id=498 a piece of 1/2" copper water pipe has gone from a few dollars to near $20 in the past few years.  But you can use CVPC--but wait--that price is dependent on oil!  Everywhere I turn there's a shortage of something.  Never a simple price increase anymore.  Always a shortage.  About that nickel shortage?  Time Magazine was reporting on it in 1969!  It has never gone away, not since my W113 was made!

Welcome to the new global village and world economy.

Paddy--this isn't "inflation".  Inflation is a sustained increases in the general level of prices for goods and services.  This is abrupt price increases attributed to shortages, many of which are dubious in nature!  I'd believe it is inflation if ExxonMobil said, "due to increased costs of health care benefits for our employees, and the fact that we gave them raises of 3-5% this year, we are announcing a general increase in the price of [insert product name here] of 3% effective 1/1/2008."  Instead we pass by the gas station on the way to lunch and see regular at $2.99 a gallon, and on the way back to work an hour later it's $3.15.  Inflation is what they keep trying to control with interest rates; these rate changes will have little to do with commodity prices when "shortages" and "factory explosions" and "pipeline maintenance" is involved.

Shvegel--yes indeed I remember the coolant crisis a few years ago.  PG and EG were relatively stable in price until "the factory blew up".  No, inflation isn't new. But blaming abrupt price increases on all manner of shortages leads one to believe other factors are at work yet!

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 09:27:52 »
I'm with you. This started in the petrochemical industry years ago.

Remember the fire in the ethelyene glycol plant? The explosion in the R134a plant? All the refineries that were closed for "Maintenance 2 summers ago?

Funny thing is the prices on all these items jumped but never went back down.

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 09:37:40 »
Inflation is not a new phenomenon, but that doesn't lessen the annoyance.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch...

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 14:30:01 »
Michael-

I probably should have used the term "gouging" instead of "inflation." Either way, it's not new. And gouging can lead to inflation.

Unfortunately, it's a fine line between maximizing profitability and gouging.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch...

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 15:34:25 »
Is that any different when in California they ask us to conserve water...then they raise the price of water because we are conserving too much and they do nothing to control overhead and salaries of union labor.  Then the drought ends and the price of water never goes down.
That's your government at work..(public held utilities are controlled by government).  
The biggest profiteer when gas is sold is the government...they make 70-80 cents in sales tax...alot more than the oil industry. Finally, compared to the $1 a gallon I paid in 1979 and adjusted for inflation...gas @ $3.50 is  not unreasonable.  Alot cheaper than a StarBucks coffee and bottled water.
I don't work for big oil....but there are alot of companies we can point fingers that are raping us even more....and I start with our "efficient" government.
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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 16:54:25 »
I always hear people at Starbucks complaining about the gas prices while waiting for their $4.00 latte. :D  :D

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 17:11:51 »
Given the record profits Exxon-Mobil has been posting of late, was Jefferson right about people getting "the government they deserve"?

Then again, H L Mencken wrote "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2008, 18:45:35 »
Welcome to "Government by Corporation" Michael!  The politicians just work for the Corporations.

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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2008, 23:53:18 »
It's less of a democracy and more of a plutocracy every day....
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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 17:44:19 »
quote:
Originally posted by cascadia

It's less of a democracy and more of a plutocracy every day....
Bob in Portland



...and (tongue in cheek, and with apologies in advance to all my government worker friends!) perhaps this is one of the reasons why:

Scientists discover New Chemical Element.  

 The recent hurricanes and gasoline issues are proof of the existence of  a new chemical element. A major research institution has recently announced the discovery in 2007 of the heaviest element yet known to science, called Governmentium.

Governmentium (Gv) has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be detected, because it impedes every action with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would  normally take less than a second to take over four days to complete.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 4 years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.

This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium -- an element which radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.



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Re: OT: Fuel Prices, New World Order
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 10:25:48 »
That's a good laugh Mike Hughes!  Reminds me of the material that many things like Gull Wings are made of.  Unobtanium.

I just heard on the radio today that gas prices are going up. (note, at one corner yesterday, regular was $2.99 and $3.19 across the street; I knew something was up...)  Can you believe it?  Who'd have thought of it?  The reason given today?

1)  A jump in crude prices.
2)  The coming switchover to the "more expensive" summer blend which uses that rare compound unobtanium, oh-no, it's alkylate.  My bad.  http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/hybrid-car-dealers-watching-alkylate-levels

Mind you if this switch happened today, it was a bit premature, with single-digit temperatures and the bit of snow that fell last night, but no matter; it isn't the actual switchover nor the actual use of alkylate, it is the future use of it driving the price.

I'm not worried.  The IRS is going to be sending ME a check this summer.  That will make it all better! ;)

Mike's Guide to Raising Your Prices In Your Industry (and not call it inflation)

Lawyers:  Due to insugents in the silk-fields of China, and a takeover at textile mills in Italy, the cost of our suiting has risen dramatically forcing us to double our hourly rates effective March 1.

Digital Media Production: Due to an explosion at the ferric oxide mines in the new state of Kosovo, the cost of digital media tape has gone up forcing us to double the cost of producing your video effective immediately.

Car Washing: Due to a pipeline burst at the detergent factory, combined with unprecedented demand for sewage services, the cost of carwashing will triple effective today.

Clinical Informatics: Due to an increasing shortage of minimum-wage workers able to read the transcription scribble of our doctors, and a shortage of the backup media necessary for our information systems (see above), combined with increased costs of flat-panel displays due to the helium shortage, the cost of clinical informatic service is going up 75% effective today...

Modular Wall Systems: Due to a shortage of steel studs due to a closing of a steel stud factory in Pennsylvania (OSHA issues); a shortage of gypsum due to a mine collapse in Canada, and the aforementioned fabric issues in Italy, the cost of modular wall systems will be going up 50% effective 2/24/08.

Feel free to adapt these ideas to YOUR business.  If adapting be sure to use the following:

Mine issues
Insurgency issues
Pipeline bursts
Plant explosions
Labor shortages
Rare raw-material shortages
Weather Calamities
unprecedented demand
and last but not least, involve crude oil prices.

Thank me later. :D   Let me know how much extra money you make so you can afford W113 parts pricing.

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1969 280SL (USA-Spec)
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
2023 Ford Maverick Lariat Hybrid "Area 51"
2023 Ford Escape Hybrid
2024 Ford Mustang Mach Ex PEV