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bigmellon

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Piston ring fitment
« on: May 16, 2009, 06:32:26 »
I am working on getting my M130 long block back together after having parts at the machine shop for far too long!!  I am getting everything laid out and prepared and came to a screaching halt when I got to the new ring set...

removing the old rings was a real bear.  I am not entirely sure I can get the new piston rings on without distorting them in some fashion.  Is there a secret to do this properly?  As usual MB seems to have a tool for everything - http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes/mb000589373700.jpg  Do I need this?  Any advice on sliding these puppies on?

Also, is there a spec for the ring gap?  I am assuming I need to file fit the rings. 

Any help on these two topics would be excellent!!  I searched and searched on this forum.  Next stop Google! 

-Kyle

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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 11:23:41 »
Hello Kyle,

The generic ring expander tool will work fine. Try Napa or Autozone, they are inexpensive. Clean the carbon out of the ring grooves.  The ring gap clearance is .004" per every inch of piston diameter. (eg. a 3.0" piston would be  .004" X 3.0" ).

If the cylinders are not being bored to a new szie, make sure you de-glaze the cylinder walls well. If the cylinders are worn too much, re-ringing the engine will only give you an oil burner.
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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 17:43:58 »
Picked up the ring expander tool this AM!!

Thanks for the pointers Joe! Now, I am off to work!! 

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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 03:05:58 »
But do you know where to put the ring gaps?
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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2009, 23:52:53 »
What's the answer?  Equal spreads around 360?  90 degrees for four rings?  120 degrees for 3 rings?  IMWTK

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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 18:13:47 »
With four rings you start with the top ring.
1st ring dead centre over the piston skirt
2nd ring over the piston skirt 180 degrees from the first one
3rd ring 90 degrees from the 2nd ring over the piston pin
4th ring 180 degrees from the 3 rd ring over the piston pin

Oil the ring grooves after you get the rings installed and spin the rings several times to work the oil in. Make sure you have the small notches for the rod bearings facing towards the left or distributor side of the engine with the arrow pointing forward on the piston.
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
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1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC

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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 22:35:52 »
Good advice Dan,

I have seen some of the factory service manuals say to position the numbers on the rods to the left. Well there are stamped numbers on one side and light electrically etched numbers on the other side. If you put the stamped numbers on the left the rods will  be in backwards.  Your advice to put the bearing notch on the distributor side is the best way to make sure they are in right!
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback

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Re: Piston ring fitment
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 23:38:59 »
The BB book doesn't tell you how to set the rings. In fact it doesn't tell you a lot of things. These books weren't made for your average Joe ( pardon the pun ) and I'm sure they expect you to already know how to do these things.
What the book WILL tell you is all things that pertain only to this car or engine. If it really doesn't say, your best bet is to go back in years until you find what you need. In this case, I actually went back to the 190 sedan work shop manual - probably one of the best books they ever made. It tells you everything you need to know and in fairly good detail. I use that book for doing king pins - it's by far the best resource.
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC