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contti

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shattered
« on: December 03, 2009, 09:07:48 »
After nearly 30 years of owning my 230sl The unfortunate has occured. An original car is no more. While stopped at traffic lights....The vehicle is now in for major repairs. With the insurance payout, I should be able to repair it. My dilemma is that I don't know if I am up to it and if so, whether I should do a total restore. Your thoughts wanted

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Re: shattered
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 12:56:41 »
That is not an easy question to answer, begin by considering the following--

1)  Do you have "declared value" collector car insurance?  Here in the USA that means you have an agreed upon value of the car with your insurance company; that has nothing to do with book value or salvage value of a modern car.  That's an important question to ask, because there may not be enough money to do the repairs.

2)  Do you have any sentimental attachment to the car?  For some, their Pagoda is for the most part, just a collector car they bought X years ago.  For others, like myself, the car has been in the family since new.

3)  Do you love Pagodas, or specifically YOUR Pagoda?  Would you be happy with another one?  Or maybe it is time to consider another car, and if so this is your exit strategy.

4)  You can make a business or emotional decision based on realistic answers to those questions.

There are many possible scenarios; you could buy the wreck back from the insurance company and part it out, probably making some money along the way.  You could rid yourself of the whole mess.

We don't know enough about your particular situation to do much but ask more questions I'm afraid...
« Last Edit: December 03, 2009, 17:43:18 by mdsalemi »
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Re: shattered
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 14:37:25 »
Sad to hear that - I can only assume that you have held on to this car for 30 years for sentimental reasons.
I can't give you any real advice since I don't know you, but I can tell you about a similar situation that happened to me about 14 years ago.
When I turned 18 I invested in a slightly tatty 67' Triumph Spitfire MkIII that became an integral part of my life to the extend that I would skip lunch a school (later at work) to drive the car with a sandwich in my hand instead of a warm, free meal...
This little car saw a lot of use - from long trips to work after being dug out of the snow some winter mornings, summer nights at the waterfront with various female companions, cruising under the sun with surfboards tuck in under the footwell, cursing and swearing underneath it at my mechanics' workshop (since I had virtually no money, he would let me work on my car at his premises and only charge for parts and the time that he had to spend giving advise). I even took the entire engine apart to replace a piston ring and put it back together with only 3 nuts in surplus to save the money I had accumulated to go skiing i France.
I would save up to replace the soft top, the carpets, have the brightwork re-cromed - after the final touch (a respray in guards red) and more than 6 years of ownership, the car war rear-ended by a big Mercedes and became almost 3 feet shorter and thus a complete write-off. That was sad - and even though I was then in a financial situation to replace the Spit with a TR6 P.I. (injection and 150 bhb rather than the US-version with carbs and only 100 bhp) and have that completely restored, I never felt the same way about it, same was the case with my MGA later on and - to be honest - also with my current Pagoda (bought 2 years ago, but a keeper).
Guess my point is, that if it is salvageable and means a lot to you...

Best wishes

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Re: shattered
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 21:41:09 »
Hi Contti,

My suggestion if it is repairable then repair it if it has sentimental value to you, but having said that, as a 280 Pagoda owner I am keen to get myself a 230 as a second project car also.

If you do decide to not repair the car and are thinking about selling it, I would be very interested in looking at it with a view of purchasing the salvage for restoration rather than letting it go to a wrecking yard and crushed.
Good luck
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Re: shattered
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2009, 13:27:43 »
Hi Conti,

June 30 this year my wife and I purchased our 280SL, it has been a 34 year gap since I owned a W113 250SL, in the mean time we have had a 350SL, 350SLC, 450SL 560SEC ,an  R129 SL500 and a W140 S500 coupe let me tell you none of the others comes even close to either the "sex appeal" or the good basic design and build quality of a 113.
Our Australian delivered R129 has been an allmost bottomless money pit due to the complexity of design and the biodegradable wiring insulation, I will be spending this weekend replacing the whole of the electro / hydraulic suspension system with conventional struts, shocks and springs.
Another interesting factor with the 113's is the upward trend of their values compared to the way the latter models who's resale values have fallen off a cliff.

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« Last Edit: December 05, 2009, 20:47:06 by treedoc »

contti

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Re: shattered
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 09:57:34 »
Thank you for your replies to my post.

I have attempted to send a reply post with some pics of the damage, but I don't think it is possible.

Nonetheless, I will repeat my previous message. The vehicle has been with me since 19 years of age, so as you can imagine it shares a lot of history with me. it was, however, aged for approximately twently years- pretty much since marriage and kids came along.

The vehicle was insured for a fixed sum, and that should come very close to completing the car- body wise

I have decided to keep the car and restore it-body and mechanicals. Your words of wisdom and other advices have given me the courage to do so.

My dilema now is, how far does one go. I am not interested in entering concourse competitions, but I guess now is the time to do it all.

Money aside, is there a logical point to how much detail is taken into consideration in restoration. I have heard stories of every nut and bolt renewed.

My lack of knowledge is also a concern. The body repairer asked me what type of filler should be used lead or the modern alternative- and we haven't even started.


Best wishes to all



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Re: shattered
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 15:21:36 »
Hello Contti,

Good call on keeping her back on the road, I'm sure with the right advice and a bodyshop full of crafty workers will get the car back to it's original shape.

If you think it would help, you can email those pictures to me and I'll gladly upload them here for you. My email is: andres.gutovnik@us.hjheinz.com

Cheers!
Andres

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Re: shattered
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 21:33:55 »
Hello Contti,

I am happy to give you a hand/help/advice for what it is worth having done up my own 280sl and have sent you a private email with telephone no .
cheers
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