Overhaul Began '67 Merc 250SL, Assistance Please?

[SilverSpear]

Hello all,

Not sure where to post this, since it includes body and "potential" engine overhaul. The car is pretty banged up, too much rust, but super competent parties involved in the build up. So far:
- Car is getting carefully dismantled, all parts are being wrapped and labeled according to location and condition. Pretty worn out ones, are being replaced/fixed instantly before wrapping.
- Leather/carpets/canvas are already purchased.
- Floor panels are also purchased, whatever rust is underneath will disappear ($2000 worth of K&K panels).
- Different light mechanical parts (discs, pads, gaskets, filters and seals, oil pan, etc...) are also purchased.
- Euro headlights are purchased since it is a Euro specs car.
- All wooden parts are being treated or replaced.
- Chroming will cost around $1200 for 30 pieces, done professionally.
- Axles, bumper supports, and miscellaneous engine and other pieces will be powdercoated.
- Rubber weatherstrips and grommets are also purchased too.
- The engine is misfiring, turned out that I need to treat a spark plug screw area (it is turning there indefinitely). There is heavy carbon residu on the tips of the spark plugs, I will try first to clean the injectors and the intake system as much as I can and try to see if the engine misfires again before going to the last resort (crack open the engine and check on the damage there.) I removed the plugs so far and sprayed WD-40 on top of each piston.
- There are other bits and pieces that I am treating here and there, bottom line the car needs a lot of attention, but I can say that it hasn't been in a real accident at all.

I need the assistance of the good folks of this forum from now on, pertaining to certain details. For example the booth that is linking the air filter housing to the rest of the intake system:



Can somebody please provide me with this part number?

BTW, here are some pictures of my car when it arrived to port:










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[JamesL]

Congratulations! For such a clunker, the engine bay is in great condition! More pictures please as you go through the pain and pleasure!!

Good luck with the restoration - we have a member from Beirut already so you two should try hook up.

[SilverSpear]

LOL, the first picture is definitely not mine, I posted it there just to point out the part that I am looking for. But I will aim to have my engine bay look like it

Anyways guys, can anyone assist with its part number please?

[hands_aus]

When I replaced the air filter hose on my early 250SL the number was 129 094 01 82

You have a big project.

best

[SilverSpear]

Bob, thank you for your assistance. It seems we share the same car except that yours is a RHD whereas mine is a LHD.
We have the same color for the body and hardtop

[Tomnistuff]

There are at least two different lengths for the 230SL.  I assume the 250 SL is the later of the 230SL numbers, but one should not guess.  The later one is shorter by almost 2 cm.  With the correct car serial number and the EPC, one can find the right part number.  They are too expensive to guess at the part number.  What is your car serial number?
Tom Kizer

[Tomnistuff]

I think the part number varies by engine number, not car number.  Sorry.  The engine number is the one needed.
Tom Kizer

[Tomnistuff]

I just spent a frustrating 30 minutes on the EPC, trying to figure out the numbers of the hoses for the 250 SL.  I got so confused, I finally gave up.  It will take someone better than me to find the correct part number for your hose, even with the car serial number and the engine serial number.  Sorry for any confusion I've caused.

By the way, the 127 094 01 82 is the number for my 1967 230 SL also, but mine seems to be considerably longer than the one in your photo.  Mine is 180 mm long.  The length decreased to 162 mm only a few engine numbers later than mine.  The one in your photo looks even shorter than that.  I cannot even find the hose for the 250 SL application in the EPC.  I must be doing something wrong.  I'm new at looking up parts on the EPC.

Good Luck,

Tom Kizer

[SilverSpear]

I will check on the engine serial number tomorrow.

As for the Vin number, here it is: 113 043 12002721. Hope someone can jump in and run the number to tell me more about my car...

[SilverSpear]

Oh I didn't know... Even the one in the picture above is longer than the one fitted on my car.

Mine only has 3 ribs or so...

[Tomnistuff]

OK, I hope now to atone for my sin of enciting confusion.  I plugged your car serial number into the EPC and found a hose that makes sense in four ways.

Firstly, it is the hose part number that hands_aus listed a few posts back that apparently is correct, part number 129 094 01 82.
Secondly, it is only 100 mm long, which makes it look like the one in your photo.
Thirdly, I misread the part number that hands_aus listed, and didn't notice the difference between 129 094 01 82 (his 1967 250) and 127 094 01 82 (my 1967 230).
Fourthly, the hose part number (129 094 01 82) is listed in the EPC for the 250SL for your car number, but it is not shown in the exploded view of the parts schematic.  The one shown in the exploded views is listed as not valid for the 250SL, so that lead me to not find your part number in the beginning.

Finally, all is well, and your part number 129 094 01 82 is apparently available at Mercedes-Benz for 71 Euro, excluding VAT and 85 Euro if you have to pay VAT.
By the way, mine is almost twice the length, but is listed for 1 Euro less.  In this case, less really is more - a bad joke.

I hope I have made up for my previous confusion.

Tom Kizer

[SilverSpear]

There is no way in the world I will pay 70 Euros for this piece of **** hose... Are they serious?
Good thing around here is that new generic spare parts shops are clustered in one street, you can find Mercedes Shops, BMW, Opel, Audi, Nissan, etc... one close to the other. I will simply take this hose and go to each and every one and see if anything is close. I once fitted an Opel stabilization bar to my Subaru (SVX), it was stiffer and better than the factory Subaru one lol.

Anyways can you please link me to that EPC website? I have been trying to find it online without luck..

[hkollan]

There are some aftermarket hoses in different lengths available on eBay.de, they are around 45 euros. BUT I would not recommend them as they are slightly thicker than original, and very stiff to the point that it's (almost) unusable. If you aim for the finish shown in the engine picture you posted,  buying an original hose is better.

[Tomnistuff]

The EPC is the Mercedes-Benz Electronic Parts Catalog.  From the Technical Manual first page, scroll down to Parts queries and click on "Parts Queries (on Mercedes Benz site)".  At the top right of the Mercedes Benz page that comes up, you will see "register" in the box labeled, "Log in to the systems EPC, WIS, ASRA, TIPS".

From there, you can probably figure out how to sign up.  It's different in Europe than North America.  In Europe, it's not free, but it's cheap.  Maybe someone from Europe can help you from this point onward.

Good Luck!

Tom Kizer

[SilverSpear]

Great news people, I was reading on my car's hose again and I found an MB part number on it. It is 1800940291

Here is how it looks like

http://www.carpartsdiscount.com/auto/parts/69/mercedes_benz/220d/intake_manifold/crp_intake_manifold_boot.html?3593=68682

[114015]

Great news people, I was reading on my car's hose again and I found an MB part number on it. It is 1800940291

Well ....

That's a different part, which is most likely not correct for your car.
The both numbers Tom found in the EPC (127 094 ... and 129 094 ...) are both still available new from MB. And that has a reason. The reason is that it is not just intended to be interchangable with the 180 094 ... part.

The "looks" of your car suggests 2 things:
1st) it's in the need of proper ...let's say ... care! (like mine)
2nd) it may not have received proper care & maintenance in the past.

So,most likely someone just put on a "generic part" on your car that was easily available to him, or cheaper, or both.
From what I can tell you (and your pics), the 180 part is rubber and pretty thin-walled. The correct SL (and SE) part is much thicker and some sort of rubber/fabric or what-ever kind of reinforced.

There are many things where you can go cheap with: aftermarket bumpers, replacement FEBI kingpins and what else ...
But I would not (if it were my car) replace this hose with a cheaper generic one.


Just my 2 cents ....

Achim

[SilverSpear]

Hello Achim, thank you for your comment.

The car needs extensive TLC no doubt. The previous owner didn't take care of the car, I bought it complete minus the rear bumpers, side mirror, foglights and a headlight. I do not dare post pictures of what is underneath, the chassis and flooring condition I mean, all I can say that it is falling apart like biscuit... Bodyworks is not an issue since I know my guy will restore it back to what it was, even imitating the welds of MBZ (will post pictures of the fixing process whenever I receive the K&K parts).

I will replace all brake and fuel lines, all cables and pressure hoses, etc... we do have 5 industrial areas around here, where you can fab everything and for cheap.

But to pay 71 Euros for a hose not worth 7 Euros, that's highway robbery. The one I have costs 7 Euros, it fits perfectly and it is a genuine MBZ since it has the logo next to the serial number. if it gets damaged, i will simply replace it for cheap each 2 years if necessary...

[SilverSpear]

Hello guys,

Anyone knows where I can find a brand new set of rail mouldings? Any seller you know?

[tel76]

Go to  www.retroteile.pl   they do them (at thr right price) do not be put off that they are in Poland.

[SilverSpear]

Thanks!

I was hoping for a supplier in the US through...

[mdsalemi]

Dany, try K&K and or Miller's from our supplier list...they do a bit of work with these reproduction supplier houses and might be able to help you.  They might come from Poland but through the USA which sounds like what you are looking for.

[SilverSpear]

It seems my cheapest option is directly from Poland, I am trying to see if I can get a special discount on them though (through a friend).

Does anyone happen to have the part numbers of the Pagoda's AC system?

I have the opportunity to buy a complete system locally fitted on a 79 Merc 280SEL, but it has the exact same compressor as the Pagoda's. The dimensions of the condenser also helps.

[SilverSpear]

I might be asking a noob question guys, but I was just reading about the engine number for the 250SL, if I understood correctly it should start with 129.982
I read the serial on my engine and it is 129.016.03.01



Does it make sense?
I am trying to buy gaskets and parts for it, and each time there is this msg:
"For models with engine serial number from 10-000618 or from 12-000466."

Update: Just realized that I was reading the head number... I still have a lonnnnnnng way to go with the Pagoda lol

[Naj ✝︎]

Hi,
You have read the cylinder head casting #.
Look under spark plug #6. The number is stamped on a flat machined surface on the block. It should start 129 982 xx 00xxxx

Naj

[SilverSpear]

Yup got it... thanks Naj