Author Topic: Where does this seal go? "Tenderhook" (Read 14277 times)

66andBlue · « **on:** June 01, 2007, 13:56:16 »

In the center of the rear bottom rim of the hardtop is a drain hole that accepts a rubber funnel. I believe that it needs to be glued in in. But which way, wide end to the outside and half-open slot inserted into the metal [picture: bottom frame], or the other way around [top frame]?
If someone could take a look and let me know I'd appreciate it very much.
Thanks!

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Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

J. Huber · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2007, 16:14:52 »

Hi Alfred. I just looked and all I have are two holes. Am I missing that little doodad?

James
63 230SL

al_lieffring · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2007, 16:31:51 »

Alfred

The funnel is there to cover the opening in the soft top boot to keep the rain water out.
so the wide end needs to go down. Mine is original but so smooshed I cant tell what is the front of back

Al Lieffring
66 230Sl
Jones'n for a new gas tank

Vince Canepa · « **Reply #3 on:** June 01, 2007, 16:53:20 »

Alfred - The part in your picture is not the correct part. On the correct part the "funnel" is oval in shape. The "inside" of the funnel is fabric coated (where it touches the chrome). There is a button that snaps into the oval hole. The funnel is offset. The offset goes to the rear - it is obvious because it would touch the weatherstrip if inserted wrong (assuming the correct part). The M-B part number is 113 795 11 22.

Vince Canepa
1967 250SL
113.043-10-001543
568H Signal Red
116 Caviar MB-Tex

66andBlue · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2007, 18:39:59 »

Thank you all for the quick reply.
Vince, that is the part number I thought I had bought. But looking at the SLS catalog, what I got is the part that Al described, #54, instead of #40. There is also a large price difference, #40 costs about $23 [:0] and # 54 a "mere" $8.60.
Since James could live without that doodad maybe I use the old one even if it is a bit mangled - if I can find it - before I order a new one from the dealer.
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Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

J. Huber · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2007, 19:19:38 »

Hey Alfred, its nice to be a role model...but remember, A. my hardtop is swinging from rafters most of the year and B. even when its on, it doesn't see much of the wet stuff...(but I bet you'll be ok.)

James
63 230SL

Vince Canepa · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2007, 21:37:09 »

Alfred - Duval shows the correct part for about $17 US. I have found that the "funnel" also acts as a bumper. It forms a three legged bumper system with the very front ends of the seal that bears on the chrome strip. My hardtop will sometimes rattle without the "funnel". It is easy to knock out when installing or removing the top. I've replaced mine several times.

Vince Canepa
1967 250SL
113.043-10-001543
568H Signal Red
116 Caviar MB-Tex

66andBlue · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2007, 18:59:51 »

quote:
Originally posted by Vince Canepa

.... It is easy to knock out when installing or removing the top. I've replaced mine several times.

Thanks Vince.
I hope you stashed away a good supply. Called the M-B dealer here today and was quoted $33.80 + tax!! [:0] For a smallish rubber plug??
I'll call Duval tomorrow and hope they haven't jacked up the price that much.

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

Vince Canepa · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2007, 05:25:35 »

Alfred - Unfortunately everything is getting quite pricey for these cars. I came to the conclusion I didn't want to put out the time and cash on mine anymore and sold it.

Vince Canepa

J. Huber · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2007, 09:07:38 »

quote:
Originally posted by Vince Canepa

Alfred - Unfortunately everything is getting quite pricey for these cars. I came to the conclusion I didn't want to put out the time and cash on mine anymore and sold it.

Vince Canepa

Wait a second. Vince -- you did what? I hope you meant you sold your extra rubber drain plug...

James
63 230SL

Vince Canepa · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:02:55 »

James - I sold the car. I purchased the car December 28, 1971 and I have a lot of history with the car. It seems like there was always something that needed to be done and I no longer had the energy or enthusiasm to put into the SL. The cost of keeping up these older cars is a factor, especially if it is a show car. My standards are very high and every repair really became a "mini-restoration" project, which really can be draining. It really came down to the question "where do I want to put my (car hobby) energies, into the SL or into my modern M-B's?"

That being said, I do have quite a few parts I will be selling - original 7 loops/inch square weave carpet (charcoal), lots of rubber grommets, etc. I will make up a list with part numbers and post it sometime soon. One of the parts I do have is the rubber plug for the center of the hardtop.

Vince Canepa

66andBlue · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:13:01 »

quote:
Originally posted by Vince Canepa

... One of the parts I do have is the rubber plug for the center of the hardtop.

.. and you know who is in line waiting for this one.

Vince, I hope you convinced the new owner to join the group but more importantly that you'll continue to lurk around here.

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

Vince Canepa · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2007, 12:22:44 »

Alfred - I will check in now and then. I enjoy this group - my second favorite discussion group after Porsche Pete's Boxster Board.

Vince Canepa

J. Huber · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2007, 20:04:50 »

Hey Vince -- thanks for the expl. I didn't mean to pry -- just caught me by surprise. I can only imagine what its like to keep a show car up to par. One of the advantages of having an average "driver" could be the slightly lower stress level. For example, the other day I backed right into another car in a parking lot. She was backing out as well -- so it was a mutual space-out. Initially, I resembled Lou Ferrigno as my shirt started to tear -- but I calmed down and took a look. The rear bumper was dented and wedged tightly into the rear panel. Once home, I was able to get it back out. Some missing paint and the dented chrome now remind me to pay better attention! Anyway, good luck and stay around!

James
63 230SL

scoot · « **Reply #14 on:** August 17, 2008, 18:33:18 »

I have purchased a small rubber seal that has something to do with sealing the rear pin of the soft top against the soft top cover. From the parts book, it's group 77 table 44, part number 113 779 01 22.

When I look on the car, it is not clear where this part goes. The existing part is on the rear pin of the soft top itself, but from the diagrams in the book, this doesn't seem to be where it should go. In the photo I have the black rubber seal on the right and the escutcheon from the soft top cover on the left. Any suggestions?

thanks
Scott

66andBlue · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2008, 18:54:44 »

It covers the opening in the soft top boot.
~~See: http://www.sl113.com/forums/index.php?topic=6996~~

scoot · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2008, 13:33:09 »

quote:
Originally posted by 66andBlue

It covers the opening in the soft top boot.
See: http://sl113.com/forums/index.php?topic=6996

There seemed to be confusion in the above referenced thread. In the thread, I definitely have part #54 which the diagrams shows being between the soft top boot and the latch beneith, which can't really be the case. So I'm still confused as to how I install this, where I install this, and which direction it should point.

66andBlue · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2008, 15:12:17 »

Sorry, I cannot take a picture because my hard top is still up. Perhaps someone else can supply one.
But I remember that I followed Al Lieffring's instructions in the topic mentioned and it seemed to work:

The funnel is there to cover the opening in the soft top boot to keep the rain water out.
so the wide end needs to go down. Mine is original but so smooshed I cant tell what is the front of back
Al Lieffring
66 230Sl
Jones'n for a new gas tank
Edited by - al_lieffring on 01 Jun 2007 18:33:04

scoot · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2008, 16:43:36 »

quote:
Originally posted by 66andBlue

Sorry, I cannot take a picture because my hard top is still up. Perhaps someone else can supply one.
But I remember that I followed Al Lieffring's instructions in the topic mentioned and it seemed to work:

The funnel is there to cover the opening in the soft top boot to keep the rain water out.
so the wide end needs to go down. Mine is original but so smooshed I cant tell what is the front of back
Al Lieffring
66 230Sl
Jones'n for a new gas tank
Edited by - al_lieffring on 01 Jun 2007 18:33:04

If it helps I can take a picture of mine. It's on the rear pin of the softtop and the cone is pointing down. The seal has an indentation that would orient it in a particular direction and it would form a suction-cup shaped cone around the soft top in hole when the soft top is on. My confusion came from the discussion about it being the wrong part, and it really should be an oval funnel. If it's not supposed to be an oval funnel, then I think it just goes on the pin on the back of the soft top frame and gets smooshed down on the hole. There is some conflict between this and the existing seal that goes around the back of the soft top where it would meet the soft top boot. thanks! Scott

66andBlue · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2012, 22:49:36 »

Attached is a photo showing how the different seals on hardtop and the softtop close off the hole in the escutcheon on the lid over the compartment for the folding top.

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