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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 04:14:25 »
Wayne Carini from Chasing Classic Cars sold a 190sl at auction for $200K.

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 08:16:17 »
That is not too bad, I have heard of a Pagoda change hands here in Australia for the same amount.  Haven't heard of a 190SL getting that here yet.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2013, 23:12:22 »
Hi Ian/Bonnyboy,

190SL would be nice to have, please let me know when you get more info about the car you help to sell.

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2013, 00:47:17 »
You better hurry up and trade; a 190SL sold for $310K yesterday...

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2013, 15:03:22 »
You better hurry up and trade; a 190SL sold for $310K yesterday...

Plus 30K buyers premium!  Go 190 SL!
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2013, 13:39:30 »
As a successor to the 300sl the 190sl never appealled to me in the looks department.

The W113 was a car i liked as a kid before i new what it was or any cool factor associated with it.
In fact it was'nt until i started looking for one that i realized that there were no back seats......  ::)  As a 10 yr old I initiallly assumed they probably had a 911 type setup as the front seats were so far forward...

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2013, 14:19:32 »
As a successor to the 300sl the 190sl never appealled to me in the looks department.
The 190SL was produced along with the 300SL and was not it's successor. The successor to the 300SL and 190SL is the 113 Pagoda.
If you like the looks of the 300SL its hard not to like the 190SL since they look so much alike (and about a million dollars cheaper) of course they are completely different performing cars.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2013, 14:59:49 »
I've heard complaints about the 190 SL, many legitimate, but looks has not been one of them.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2013, 20:36:47 »
I've heard complaints about the 190 SL, many legitimate, but looks has not been one of them.

In the context of this thread all opinions are legitimate.

IMO The 2 cars are completely different and really nothing in common in terms of aesthetic design besides a badge.  Ive always been a pagoda fan, in my eyes the car is perfect.  Perfect lines.... utterly elegant.  
If you want a rarer car..... just buy it.  This car is way too cool to be a stepping stone.
Thats my opinion..... to alll the 190sl owners, its a beautiful classic car, however i just prefer the pagoda .... and thats why i never thought of upgrading.  
Really this topic is flawed.  Its about upgrading.  Who wants to upgrade??



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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2013, 21:45:46 »
but looks has not been one of them.

...from the latest issue of Hemming's Sports & Exotic, verbatim:

     The 230 SL was the replacement for both the legendary 300 SL and its milque-toast look alike, the 190 SL

While perhaps not a criticism of styling, surely no round of applause either!

But beauty as we all know, is in the eyes of the beholder:

The Swiss “Automobil Revue” passed judgment on the design of the 190 SL in November 1956:

     With its elegant design, the 190 SL generally is considered to be the finest creation from the house Daimler-Benz.

In “Motor Revue”, No. 16, 1955, Heinz-Ulrich Wieselmann observed:

     Because of its really handsome exterior, everywhere the 190 SL appears it draws attention. With the top folded down it is downright beautiful.

I guess it all depends on what you like...while I don't perceive myself ever in the market for a 190SL, I can surely appreciate those who love and maintain these cars as sure as I do those with the same penchant for Pagodas.  "It's all good", right?
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2013, 14:16:00 »
A 190 SL was my first car.  I drove it every day as my main transportation for many years all year around.  I never hesitated to jump in it and head out on a long trip.

Just remember that a 190SL is a full model generation older.  A lot of driving improvememts were made in the model  generation between the 190SL and the W113.  They are different animals and different technologies. It is only natural that the newer generation should be improved, and more drivable. On the other hand it is only natural that we can appreciate the quality, hand craftmanship, simplicity and inovation of things older.  Newer  automobiles, naturally should be safer, faster, more fuel efficient, and generally be more drivable than previous generations.

In a 190SL a fan was not supplied for heat or defrost on the passenger side of the car. The single speed heater motor for the drivers side was barely adequate. I remember those zero degree mornings so well.  The windshield wipers were marginal.  It had a 20 amp generator for power. The four wheel drum brakes were the latest state of technology with the front dual cylinders. The frontr drums were aluminum finned with iron inserts, the very wide aluminum shoes were self adjusting. Most had the ATE vacuume booster.  Marvelous braking, and the state of the art for drum brakes at the time. Very complex and seldom correctly fixed these days. Yes, volumes have been written on the complex carburetion. It was not really a defective design, just so complicated that few can mount them correctly and  put them in good running order these days. The huge steering wheel was meant to make up for the lack of power steering in the heavy little roadster.

One generation of Mercedes eariier, (the 170's) cabin heaters were an option all together! And during the 190SL era other sports cars were much more basic with snap in side plastic windows and put-together soft top kits. The 190SL was so refined and luxurious for its time that many refused to consider them a "sports car" in those days.

The later model generation W113 is more drivable as it should be. Which is best for you? It is like comparing a Picasso to a Michelangelo !

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2013, 03:23:40 »
I've been told that 190SL's are slow. However, when we look at and compare it to other four cylinder cars from the same time period, it will show that it was at least as fast as most, faster than some, but and not as fast as all.

 Those cars that were faster probably weren't as comfortable.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2013, 19:42:25 »
No shortage of 190SLs around here at the moment. Four in the shop and one in the lot !
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2013, 04:34:08 »
I'm working on two of them as well. One is finished the other is just a bit beyond '' basket case '' level. Then there's the two 600's , the two 113's, the 450SL , the 300D .............. ::)
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2013, 13:11:32 »
Hello Dan,

The two 600s should be about a years worth of work themselve  ;D   Very complicated machines!
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2013, 15:44:17 »
The Grand Mercedes Benz 600 -  feared by all, understood by few.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2013, 13:22:38 »
Most fearsome is the cost of parts.......Last time I checked a water pump was over 3K !
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2013, 12:13:56 »
3k likely a small sum compared to this....
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2013, 14:30:42 »
I imagine the Ford truck owner's insurance is going to skyrocket!
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2013, 17:26:25 »
I imagine the Ford truck owner's insurance is going to skyrocket!

You're assuming it's his fault?
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2013, 19:41:56 »
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2013, 02:53:35 »
Not good.
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2013, 11:44:46 »
Washington State is not a "no fault" state; so, for certain the MB owner or his/her insurance company will seek financial redress from either the City of Seattle (article said it was their truck) the driver or everyone remotely connected...gotta love the tort system. For sure there will be some eye opening repair expenses!  :o

Don't you hate when this happens??
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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2013, 08:19:01 »
so it was a convertible Gullwing then? :o :o

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Re: Trade your W113 for a 190SL?
« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2013, 19:58:50 »
JamesL, Re; Your post on the truck hitting the Benz

Did you all read the article ... the truck had a sign on it's side it read "Impact Landscaping" ... impact indeed LOL

I once came back from the US driving toward the border on a country road in a rented car from AVIS and got hit by a dear jumping in front of the car and damaging the front end. When I arrived at the next town I called the Sheriff to tell him about the incident and for him to have wild life look after the deer. He pointed to the front licence plate that read "AVIS we Try Harder" and he started to laugh out loud! Glad I took full insurance coverage, just handed the keys to the lady at the airport in Winnipeg, Manitoba and said "sorry got hit by a dear"
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