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Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« on: December 14, 2015, 19:18:12 »
Is there a step-by-step procedure written up somewhere that explains how to remove and then re-install? I am planning to remove it to send it out for service, but Id' like to make sure that I am not messing anything up in the process.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 13:27:14 »
Whatever shop you are planning to send it to for repair probably has removal instructions as a preamble to their reinstallation instructions - contact them and ask.

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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 14:04:28 »
The Hanes manual also has a very good explanation of the removal and refit of the FIP. Am traveling today, so don't have access the full title and ISBN. It is the blue edged manual that has a cut away view of the 113 on the cover.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 16:47:18 »
Thanks, I will ask.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 16:49:50 »
I have that manual, but was confused reading the section on the Injection Pump. I will have to spend more time reviewing it. I have also ordered the MB manual with the exploded parts, so that may help clarify the Haynes Manual.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 17:07:11 »
Hello Roland,

  Take a good look at the scope of the job first of all. The injection pump is attached to the block in the front by two nuts and one  alen bolt/nut arrangement. One of the two attachment nuts is on the bottom front and is more easily viewed from below. The other attachment nut is on the front between the injection pump and block.  The 6mm head alen bolt is on the front side and besides attaching the IP it holds several brackets in place also. In the back, the 280SL has a two difficult brackets supporting it to the block. One hangs down from the heater pipe coming out of the head. It is attached to a bracket on the rear of the pump  by a 6mm head alen bolt. Another bracket is fitted to the bottom back of the injection pump and is attached to the block with a bolt in a difficult place between the oil filter canister and the block. In addition, there are a lot of fuel lines, water lines, an oil line, some wires which must be dis-connected or moved out of the way. Take a look at all the attachments and connections, to make sure you have the tools and ambition to begin the work. We can help you get over difficulties, ask lots of questions. The 250SL pump can be the most difficult to remove since it has the added oil cooler directly under the injection pump, which makes space a little tighter.

(1) Dis-connect the negative post of the battery.

(2) Check to make sure your engine crankshaft couter-weight timing scale is visible and if it has two scales  you need to identify which scale is to be used.

(3)  I like to remove all the spark plugs so turning the engine is made easier.

(4) Remove all the spark plug wires with the distributor cap as a unit so they are not in the way.

(5) Set  the engine to 20 degrees after top dead center (#1 cylinder compression stroke). This is commonly known as 20 degrees AFTDC #1. The camshaft lobes over #1 cylinder will be basically pointing upwards when the cylinder is on the compression stroke.  If the lobes are pointing basically downward, then you need to turn the engine 180 degrees to 20 ATDC again so they are pointing basically upward.

(6) Drain the coolant, you will have some water lines to dis-connect.

(7) If you are sending the injection lines off to be re-plated, then start by removing the linkage rods   If you are not sending these out to be re-plated, removal is not needed.  If they are taken off, take lots of pictures. They can be a real puzzle to re-assemble correctly.

           (7a) Removing the valve cover at this point, makes the job easier.

          (7b) Remove all the injection lines together as a set. You will need to unfasten the ends at each injector, unfasten the 17mm fittings at the injection pump and remove the one main 19mm attachment bolt for the injection line assembly at the front of the cylinder head.  
        
          (7c) Dis-connect any coolant or vent lines which may also be attached and part of the injection line assembly. The injection lines now can be removed as an assembly.

8. If you are not removing the injection lines from your engine, unfasten each 17mm fitting at the injection pump, one at a time starting from the rearmost line and working forward. Slide the fitting up the line and out of the ways before you move to the next fitting.

(9) Unfasten the 7th injector line (cold start line) which attaches to the "T" fitting near the pump. At this point all the lines at the pump are loose and can be moved away a bit.

(9b) optional for better access...... If your engine  has the coolant pod at the cylinder head  holding the thermo-time switch and temperature bulb for the temperature gauge , then remove the pod as a unit with all lines left attached. It unfastens with the one 15mm hex bolt. Carefully move the pod aside.


(11) Unfasten and remove the IP fuel intake line.

(12) Unfasten and remove the IP fuel return line.

(13) Unfasten the cold idle air hose at the back of the WRD (warm running device).

(14) disconnect the one or two electrical wires connected to the rear of the IP.

(15) disconnect the metal oil line  (14mm fitting) at the eng block side of the IP.

(15b) optional .... I like to remove the fuel filter canister and its top mounting for much easier access to the lower IP mounting nut. Otherwise you may just want to remove the fuel canister and access the lower IP mounting nut from below.

(16) unfasten the three IP flange/eng. block  attachments at the front of the IP (one upper nut, one alen bolt on the side, and another lower nut at the lower flange of the IP.

(17) slide the injection pump straight rearward and off!  If yours a 250SL with the oil cooler below the IP, you will have to remove the rear bracket completely off the IP in order to clear the oil cooler metal line.

Be aware of the splined coupling between the IP and the engine. It can be removed but be sure not to forget it during installation. You may also want to have a new gasket or gaskets on hand for the IP/ engine block  connection. If yours is a 250SL or 230SL make sure to check or renew the oil in the IP when it is off. Don't forget to fill or check it.
 
Looks like this may evolve into an "Injection Pump Removal Tour". This will be a long post, (I will add text and photos to this post, later as today  time permits). Feel free to add comments and questions.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 15:28:37 by ja17 »
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2015, 16:34:48 »
Hi Joe,

This is great!! Thank you so much for taking the time to write this up. It is truly appreciated!!

Best.,
Roland
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2015, 17:26:59 »
Roland, Here are some more relevant photos. I will integrate them into my tour post later.............
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 15:32:02 by ja17 »
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 17:34:47 »
Here is a pic of the front flange of the IP with the timing marks.............
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2015, 18:28:02 »
Hi Joe,

This is really excellent information and I am most grateful. Will I need to get a set of the red plugs to put into the pump before I send it off? Also, do I need to put plugs into any open holes left on the injectors where I remove the lines?

Best,
Roland
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2015, 16:11:28 »
Hello Roland,

The plastic plugs will be fitted on your rebuilt pump before it is sent back to you.  If you are having your injection lines re-plated, a lot of us plug the ends before sending them to the platters. A threaded in plug fitting is normally used. Not sure where to source these, most of these are home made from other fittings. I can loan you a set of mine if you like?
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2015, 16:17:59 »
Continued information on injection pump removal.....................................

As mentioned in previous post, The injection lines if removed should be done as an assembly with the injection lines, vent lines, and coolant lines etc. together. Carefully document each connection clamp and line with photos and notes. These can be a real puzzle to get back together correctly after re-plating if you do not do careful documentation.

Some early W113 engines may not have both the rear injection pump brackets to remove. The very latest version has a slightly different top rear bracket which bolts to the block rather than being attached to the large coolant fitting.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 17:09:28 by ja17 »
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 07:26:34 »
If you are having your injection lines re-plated, a lot of us plug the ends before sending them to the platters. A threaded in plug fitting is normally used. Not sure where to source these, most of these are home made from other fittings. I can loan you a set of mine if you like?

There are arguments for and against plugging the injection lines before plating.
Regular MB lug bolts can be used to plug the lines.

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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 16:19:48 »
Thanks Hans for the good tip!
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2015, 00:48:32 »
There are arguments for and against plugging the injection lines before plating.

Hans,

What are your thoughts on this? I assume this applies to all metal lines coolant, fuel, etc....
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2015, 06:02:40 »
   My Post #5 has been updated with these steps....................... and photo  


     (7a) Removing the valve cover at this point, makes the job easier.

          (7b) Remove all the injection lines together as a set. You will need to unfasten the ends at each injector, unfasten the 17mm fittings at the injection pump and remove the one main 19mm attachment bolt for the injection line assembly at the front of the cylinder head.  
        
          (7c) Dis-connect any coolant or vent lines which may also be attached and part of the injection line assembly. The injection lines now can be removed as an assembly.

8. If you are not removing the injection lines from your engine, unfasten each 17mm fitting at the injection pump, one at a time starting from the rearmost line and working forward. Slide the fitting up the line and out of the ways before you move to the next fitting.

(9) Unfasten the 7th injector line (cold start line) which attaches to the "T" fitting near the pump. At this point all the lines at the pump are loose and can be moved away a bit.

(9b) optional for better access...... If your engine  has the coolant pod at the cylinder head  holding the thermo-time switch and temperature bulb for the temperature gauge , then remove the pod as a unit with all lines left attached. It unfastens with the one 15mm hex bolt. Carefully move the pod aside.


(11) Unfasten and remove the IP fuel intake line.

(12) Unfasten and remove the IP fuel return line.

(13) Unfasten the cold idle air hose at the back of the WRD (warm running device).

(14) disconnect the one or two electrical wires connected to the rear of the IP.

(15) disconnect the metal oil line  (14mm fitting) at the eng block side of the IP.

(15b) optional .... I like to remove the fuel filter canister and its top mounting for much easier access to the lower IP mounting nut. Otherwise you may just want to remove the fuel canister and access the lower IP mounting nut from below.

(16) unfasten the three IP flange/eng. block  attachments at the front of the IP (one upper nut, one alen bolt with nut, on the side, and another lower nut at the lower flange of the IP.

(17) slide the injection pump straight rearward and off!  If yours a 250SL with the oil cooler below the IP, you will have to remove the rear bracket completely off the IP in order to clear the oil cooler metal line.

Be aware of the splined coupling between the IP and the engine. It can be removed but be sure not to forget it during installation. You may also want to have a new gasket or gaskets on hand for the IP/ engine block  connection. If yours is a 250SL or 230SL make sure to check or renew the oil in the IP when it is off. Don't forget to fill or check it.
 
Looks like this may evolve into an "Injection Pump Removal Tour". This will be a long post, (I will add text and photos to this post, later as today  time permits). Feel free to add comments and questions.
« Last Edit: December 19, 2015, 06:08:11 by ja17 »
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1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2015, 07:14:27 »
Hans,

What are your thoughts on this? I assume this applies to all metal lines coolant, fuel, etc....

Wallace,

I believe it's only an issue with the injectorlines due to the fine inner diameter. They might get clogged/blocked if the plater does not
take some action to properly rinse and blow thru the lines with pressured air when needed.
I assume the critical part is to get all the acid out of the lines. If not rust will quickly develop blocking the lines and you'll have a fun time
freeing them up again. When plugging the lines there will be a section under the nut that won't get properly plated.
By instructing the plater regarding this  and making sure the nuts move freely the reults are improved
with unplugged lines. I probably would not risk it unless you have an extra set of lines available, and high confidence in your plater.

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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 21:09:46 »
Hi Joe,

Thanks once again for the follow up and the details. This is very very helpful and most appreciated!

All the best,
Roland
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2015, 02:37:51 »
Hello Roland,

We can also help advise with tool selection also if you have any difficulties in dealing with the fasteners.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2015, 08:22:44 »
I've added this to the Technical Manual: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Fuel/FIPRemoval

Joe, can you make future changes in that section ?

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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2015, 02:11:54 »
Thanks Peter, for adding it.  I am not familiar with the computer language to add it myself. Maybe I will get time to teach myself over the winter.
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2015, 04:33:20 »
WOW! Incredible job. 
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2015, 11:04:26 »
Joe,

it's not computer language. It's just slightly structured language: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/PmWiki/BasicEditing

Much easier. Only adding pictures is a little more involved, but there are many here who can help.

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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2015, 16:32:05 »
Thanks Peter, I will try to get familiar with it this winter..
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Re: Fuel Injection Pump Removal
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2015, 21:37:29 »
I've had many injection lines plated without plugging the ends off and never had a problem with any of them. Injection lines will plug with rust but that seems to happen more from sitting on a car that's not running anymore. I check them with compressed air before I send them off for plating and either try to fix them or discard them for working ones .

  I really don't think that there's a huge worry here. Ask the plating shop to blow through the lines as a final step if you're concerned about it.
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