Our basic problem is that Europeans, Germans in particular, don't drink anything on the fly. They stop at an autobahn service area and sip a demitasse in a civilized fashion. As I recall, my first Euro car that came with a cupholder was a 98 328i; it would hold a tall bold but a Slurpee was out of the question. The answer, IMHO, is the narrower one that fits between the seats (after the wooden box is removed and carefully stored). Or not. Jon