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Old Tires
« on: November 08, 2004, 16:29:22 »
Gents,

There was an article in today's paper regarding a safety group out of Massachusetts that is requesting that NHTSA start "dating" tires, you know like beer?  "Born on 11/11/04" or something similar...the reasoning is that based upon their research there were (no time period given) 50 crashes resulting in 37 fatalities and they were caused by old tires with good tread.

http://www.safetyresearch.net/Library/SRS036.pdf

Just goes to show you we are ahead of the curve...Cees and others have said for some time now not to use "old" tires regardless of how good they look.  Well, now there are some facts behind the common sense science of it all!


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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 17:55:40 »
Actually I think most tires are in fact dated. I read something about this but can't figure out or remember where I saw it. It is not at all obvious, just a code (one of those small strings of numbers found on tires) that gives the month and year of manufacture.

When I read it I checked the Michelin tires on my 356 and determined they are 14 years old (which I kind of knew anyway) and I've been thinking pretty seriously about replacing them even though they still have good tread life.

I think the push is to require the date to be far more obvious. Anyone else know of this or how to read the code?

Ed Cave
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Klaus

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2004, 10:23:51 »
Up to the end of 1999:
The last three digits of the DOT number reflect the production date. The first two digits identify the production week, the last digit is the last digit of the year. E.g. 129 = 12th week in 1999. In the nineties usually there followed a small triangle pointing to the number.
Since 1/1/2000 this number has four digits. E.g. 2004 = 20th week in year 04.


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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2004, 10:30:51 »
...and that secret complexity is part of the reason why they want to change things.  A real date is useful to everyone.  A code is useful to those that have the means to break it.  Will help consumers from being shafted by unscrupulous used car dealers!

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2004, 11:15:47 »
That report is chilling...

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2004, 12:45:11 »
As the report is so chilly I copied some parts out of the text to give a short impression of the seriousness of the subject.
.....
"What can be learned from these cases? First, it is apparent that (old f.e. spares GW) tires with
acceptable tread and no significant visible signs of defect or degradation are likely to find
their way into service or continue to remain in service regardless of their age.
.....
Following is the language from Volkswagen’s manuals:
WARNING - Old tires can fail in use, causing loss of vehicle control and personal
injury. Replace tires after six years regardless of tread wear. Always reduce
speed and drive cautiously if you must use an old tire in an emergency. Replace
the tire as soon as possible.
.....
Toyota’s warnings contain the following language:
Any tires which are over 6 years old must be checked by a qualified technician
even if damage is not obvious. Tires deteriorate with age even if they have never
or seldom been used. This also applies to the spare tire and tires stored for future
use.
....
ADAC responded to approximately 40,000 tire breakdowns in 1985, 90% of which took place on
the autobahn. From the tire-related breakdowns, the data from 5,000 reports were usable
for this study and included the DOT number. Based on a correlation of tire registrations
with the number of tires by age, the author concluded that failure frequency rose
disproportionately with increasing tire age and estimated the probability of a breakdown
from a tire was eight times as high with a nine-year-old tire than with a two-year-old tire.
....
Tire Engineering Policy Committee (TEPC) meetings in late 2003, chaired by a Bridgestone representative and attended by representatives of Continental, Cooper, Goodyear, Michelin, and Pirelli, in which they decided to draft recommendation for maximum service life for light truck and passenger tires. The recommendation noted 'While most tires will need replacement before 10 years, it is recommended that any tires in service older than 10 years from the date of manufacture be replaced with new tires as a simple precaution (including spare tires), even if such tires appear serviceable (or even if such tires have not reached the legal wear limit'.
This recommendation applies also to retreaded light vehicles tires (passenger and LT tires through load range E) older than 10 years from the date of manufacture of the initial casing.
For tires that were on an original equipment vehicle (i.e., acquired by the consumer on a new vehicle), follow the OE vehicle manufacturer’s tire replacement recommendations.
....


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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 14:03:44 »
So what is the verdict on shelf life?

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 08:25:46 »
quote:
Originally posted by Klaus

Up to the end of 1999:
The last three digits of the DOT number reflect the production date. The first two digits identify the production week, the last digit is the last digit of the year. E.g. 129 = 12th week in 1999. In the nineties usually there followed a small triangle pointing to the number.
Since 1/1/2000 this number has four digits. E.g. 2004 = 20th week in year 04.


Klaus
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Klaus,
Thanks for the decoding!  I thought it was something like that.  Tell me this:
What would the code be for the 12th week of 1989?
What would the code be for the 12th week of 1979?
What would the code be for the 12th week of 1969?

It seems to me that these would all be the same and you would not know the difference!  Does anyone know how far back they started using these codes?  When I bought my 230 SL in 2000 and got the tires replaced, the tire shop said the old tires were from 1980.  How could they tell 1980 from 1990?

Thanks,

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2004, 10:03:45 »
Rodd,
the DOT number is of course specified by the Department of Transportation, NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) in FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard) Part 571.109....but I don't recollect when the production date was amended into that standard. Probably not that long ago....nobody thought that anybody would keep a tire longer than 10 years and expect it to be safe.
The tire dealer probably knew by the pattern that that tire had been out of production a long time.

Klaus
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Ed Cave

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Re: Old Tires
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2004, 21:35:02 »
Here is an exerpt from the PDF file Michael refers to:

Classic car owners are also at risk. In the Townsend case, the owner of a restored
Sunbeam Tiger was unaware that the 11-year-old Pirelli tires with approximately 4,000
miles of service represented an unseen hazard. While driving to a classic car meet the
driver experienced a catastrophic tread separation, the ensuing loss of control and
rollover left a seriously brain-injured driver.


That is enough to convince me that the 14 year old Michelins on my 356 will be replaced this weekend. Period.

Ed Cave
Atlanta, GA

1964 356C
1971 280SL