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Arthur58

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1970 auto transmission
« on: September 22, 2018, 00:06:57 »
After siting in a garage for most of the last twenty years, I am bringing this 270SL back to life.  It is now running and actually has a new Virginia Inspection sticker for open road use...not antique. After a month of repairs and replacements everything now works (except fuel gauge).  But....the automatic transmission, while working in all gears, clunks and shudders when cold shifting using the "4" setting.  This gradually diminishes as I drive and the transmission warms up... but never totally disappears.  The mechanic at Autohaus here in Virginia beach believes this will disappear after a hundred miles or so as the transmission gets some use.  Anybody got some experience or thoughts?  I hope this doesn't mean a new or rebuilt transmission.  Are there such things?

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2018, 01:26:40 »
Autohaus has a good reputation, and their advice seems reasonable.

But then I would recommend draining the trans and fluid coupling and replacing the filter - basically doing a complete transmission service.  You may have done this already, but a good deal of gunk/debris could have been dislodged after such a long slumber, so getting as much of it out of the system as possible may help get things smoothed out.

The transmission is not controlled by a processor and does not have a torque converter, it has a fluid coupling, and this does make the shifts seem a little crisper than in a modern car.
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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2018, 04:22:57 »
Automatic transmission fluid is probably the most over engineered fluid on earth.  Sitting really isn’t much of an issue there.  However there is a solenoid called a three position solenoid on the top of the transmission that controls essentially how fast and hard the shifts are(control pressure).  The linkage that goes between the solenoid and the transmission tends to get stuck.  Pull up the carpet on the right side of the transmission tunnel and you will find an oval shaped cover. Under that is the linkage. Make sure it moves easily in both directions.

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2018, 05:22:07 »
I agree with Pat, make sure the linkage on the transmission moves freely.  Also the engine linkage must be correct so that the venturi switch on the intake works correctly.
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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2018, 08:30:12 »
Arthur, I spend quite some time on making the transmission work properly with my mechanic. What I did wwas all that was advised to you here in the posts from the fellow Members plus a couple of more things. As an amateur, what I would advise is as follows:

I would start with replacing the fluid and filters. You probably do not know how many kilometers ago this was done. (Mike)

1. Study the Technical Manual on how the transmission solenoid should work and check it (Shvegel)
2. Check the linkage to make sure the throttle switch is properly adjusted - you will find adjustment procedure on the forum (ja17)
3. These two above are interdependent - throttle switch is steering the solenoid, which, in turn, is responsible for fluid pressure and shifts, they need to work correctly
4. I would check the pressure in the gearbox - you have the procedure and data here on the forum, it is a relatively simple thing, just make sure you do not confuse the pressure units. You will need a gauge, a banjo connector and a little self made tool - your mechanic has that. If your tranny shifts bad when cold and better when warm - maybe you are on the edge of required pressure and just need to adjust it.

Please note that you should have engine linkage ok so that the idle is ok, to have vacuum ok so that the transmission works properly. It is all more interdependent that it seems, e.g. brake booster goes bad - no good shifting.

When I started working on my transmission - I read all I could through "search" on the forum, read all in Technical Manual, wrote the procedures in Polish for my mechanic and it worked. I think you have more knowledgeable mechanic there, so it will be easier.
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Arthur58

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 22:28:45 »
Thanks all...I'm following all recommendations.

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 23:05:45 »
And rest assured: the transmission will shift without any roughness or jerking up & down. The only indication that it has shifted will be the change visible on your tachometer. I battled my transmission for many years, even considered installing a more modern transmission. As Pawel66 says: it is all interdependent. When you get it right you will want to show it off - it will be so smooth. The advantage of the fluid coupling is that it acts as a good brake when going downhill. A car with a torque converter is not very effective braking downhill at a low gear setting. We have steep hills here and I do go downhill in second gear without using the brakes. It frustrates the cars behind me.
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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2018, 18:22:02 »
pulled carpet back from trans tunnel...silver insulation and a black under cover but no oval access plate to solenoid linkage.  I didn't think this car had interior work done ...maybe I was wrong but the insulation job looks good enough to be factory.  Any thoughts?

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 18:53:39 »
Arthur, it must be there. It is on the right hand side of the tunnel (passenger side on LHD). Quite towards the front, where passenger's feet are. If it is covered by unsulation, you will feel it with your hand.

Silver insulation and black undercoat - does not sound like a factory job to me but I may be wrong. I would not be surprised if someone did an improvement there...
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Arthur58

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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2018, 21:18:52 »
pulled back insulation and was able to feel plate in tunnel.  This car has a frigiking AC and the plastic housing for refrigerant lines is under passenger dash limiting space for a good look.  I'll keep working on it...better if the umidity here in Va Beach were a bit lower for this kind of sweat work.


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Re: 1970 auto transmission
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 06:16:37 »
My 10cents worth, in addition to all of the invaluable advice above, you should also check the condition your transmission mount.
I had some quite rough gear changes between 2 & 3 on my 280SL Auto. It went away after I replaced the transmission mount, filter and
fluid.

See my post on this:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=25341.msg181334#msg181334

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