Author Topic: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?  (Read 2726 times)

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Do the exhaust gases from cylinders 1-3 and 4-6 mix in the mufflers?

I always thought they do. But I had CO reading today 3.2 in the right hand side pipe and 3.7 in the left one. The colour of the spark plugs from 5 and 6 suggest richer mixture than in the other cylinders and so does the CO reading. But again - I thought the fumes get mixed up in two mufflers...
« Last Edit: April 12, 2020, 18:47:44 by Pawel66 »
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

seeMIL

  • Full Member
  • Junior Level
  • United Kingdom, England, Aberdeen
  • Posts: 2
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2020, 13:51:26 »
Good question. I also had similar experience and would like answers.

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2020, 16:33:52 »
I am pretty certain now they mix only partially. I do have a different CO reading in the left hand side pipe and the right hand side pipe. This difference corresponds to the difference in colour of the spark plugs in two cylinders.
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

stickandrudderman

  • Vendor
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • United Kingdom, England, Richmond
  • Posts: 2926
    • http://www.colinferns.com
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2020, 09:42:51 »
Original downpipes have interconnection between them whereas aftermarket often do not. It's possible that this might have an effect but I don't know for certain. In the 40 years I've been doing these cars I've never thought to swap the sample from one pipe to another!

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2020, 09:48:56 »
I have the original pipe with the interconnections. I am not sure if the passages between the pipes are clear or stuck with sooth though... In any case I would not think these interconnections allow the fumes to mix a lot.

Where I thought the mixing can happen were the mufflers. I do not know how they are built inside.

I do not suppose you would get different CO readings when everything is within specs, certainly. But then if something irregular goes in cylinder 1-3 or 4-6, well, I have different reading now.
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

Shvegel

  • Inactive
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, OH, Cleveland Heights
  • Posts: 2978
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 23:33:16 »
Stuff a sock in one tailpipe.  If it runs with one tailpipe plugged they mix.

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2020, 13:59:07 »
I've got holes there, will not work...
 :D  ;)
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

garymand

  • Inactive
  • Gold
  • *****
  • USA, CA, Meadow Vista
  • Posts: 537
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2020, 16:40:00 »
I took one out and cut it down the joint between the two pipes.  Each little tunnel was plugged with carbon soot or rust.  And, did you get your caster issue resolved?
Gary
Early 250SL German version owned since 71, C320, R350, 89 Porsche 944 Turbo S

MikeSimon

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, OH, North Royalton
  • Posts: 2477
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2020, 18:06:08 »
The two pipes that go into the main, front muffler, end in there and two different pipes exit it. The same is the case in the rear muffler. The pipes inside the mufflers have holes in them. There should be a total mix of gases.
1970/71 280SL Automatic
Sandy Beige
Parchment Leather
Power Steering
Automatic
Hardtop
Heated Tinted Rear Window
German specs
3rd owner

Alex D

  • Full Member
  • Silver
  • ****
  • USA, NC, Cary
  • Posts: 313
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2020, 20:47:29 »
While on the topic, something of possible interest.  O2 wide band sensor that can check air/fuel ratio and monitor by cell phone.  Something i am considering. 

https://www.plxdevices.com/PLX-Wideband-O2-Air-Fuel-Ratio-Sensor-Modules-Gauges-s/125.htm


Alex D
1967 250 SL
Original 140K mi
181 Light Beige, with  112 Turquoise Interior

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2020, 21:29:20 »
I took one out and cut it down the joint between the two pipes.  Each little tunnel was plugged with carbon soot or rust.  And, did you get your caster issue resolved?

Working on it.  I bought new. Bushings with proper offset and found inexpensive 243mm leaf springs. i will take it all to the shop, replace, clean up the upper kingpin pivot screws mess I have there and will see.
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

Pawel66

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Poland, Mazowieckie, Konstancin-Jeziorna
  • Posts: 5495
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2020, 21:30:29 »
The two pipes that go into the main, front muffler, end in there and two different pipes exit it. The same is the case in the rear muffler. The pipes inside the mufflers have holes in them. There should be a total mix of gases.

Perhaps partial only. I do have different readings in two pipes that confirm spark plug colors...
Pawel

280SL 1970 automatic 180G Silver
W128 220SE
W121 190SL
G-class

Shvegel

  • Inactive
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, OH, Cleveland Heights
  • Posts: 2978
Re: A Very Silly Question, Again: Do The Exhaust Gases Mix in Mufflers?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2020, 01:55:50 »
Alex, You will need 2 sensors.  Front and rear bank.