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badali
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Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 03, 2024, 19:34:16 »
I just started my 220Sb for the first run this year. I put in plugs and points after going around the block and rough running. The car will run well if I keep my foot on the gas. I just temporarily adjusted the choke out just a little so it will stay running when at idle. I'm kind of stumped for now since I think I had the choke in the whole way before and it would idle ok. The car is a 4 speed on the column.
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
Benz Dr.
Associate Member
Platinum
Canada, ON, Port Lambton
Posts: 7220
Benz Dr.
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 03, 2024, 20:20:32 »
Vacuum leak, low fuel level, not enough ignition timing, wrong dwell angle, idle screw turned in too far. Lots to look for.
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1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn
1970 3.5 Coupe
1961 190SL
1985 300CD Turbo Coupe
1981 300SD
2013 GMC Sierra
1965 230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC
badali
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Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 03, 2024, 20:41:18 »
The points are at 16 thousandth. I really didn't change anything else. I didn't check for a vacuum leak. I'll check everything when I can get back to it. There was a little corrosion inside the distributor and the old points were burnt.
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
ja17
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Platinum
USA, OH, Blacklick
Posts: 7414
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 04, 2024, 06:13:10 »
You probably stored it with Ethanol fuel in it. Try to find some non-ehtanol fuel before storing a car especially one with carburetors. We have "Sheets" fuel stations in Ohio which have some non-ethanol pumps. The ethanol fuel absorbs water out of the air and the moisture is especially hard on fuel systems, especially carbureted. Sounds like you have a brass idle jet plugged. You can remove most of the jets on the carburetors without removing or taking the carburetor apart. Just locate the jets one at a time and clean the tiny opening. I can almost guarantee you it is an idle jet plugged. If you have a BBB it should point out where the idle jet is for you. Give me a call if you need to Brad.
Joe
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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback
badali
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Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 05, 2024, 15:48:52 »
Thanks Joe and Dan. I haven't had a chance to get back to it yet. I work weekends... I'll let you know what works when I get to look at it again.
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
badali
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Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 06, 2024, 21:51:15 »
Joe, Are the pin holes at the end of these what would be plugged? The rest of it didn't look too bad. I cleaned them and put them back in. I didn't try to start it yet as I ran out of time again...
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
ja17
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Platinum
USA, OH, Blacklick
Posts: 7414
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 07, 2024, 12:29:36 »
Yes, those are the idle jets. There is a tiny hole at the end. Clear it and you should be ready to go. A small tag wire will work if it will not blow clean.
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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback
badali
Full Member
Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 21, 2024, 19:39:40 »
I just took the car around the block today. It does run better with the idle jets cleaned. It stalled when I stopped at a stop sign while fully warmed up. The points are set at .016. The book says .012-.016 or metric .3-.4. Believe it or not in almost 40 years I have never had to use a dwell meter. So I'm thinking it's time to learn...
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
ja17
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Platinum
USA, OH, Blacklick
Posts: 7414
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 26, 2024, 05:43:28 »
Hi Brad. Unscrew the spring loaded idle fuel adjustment screws all the way and give the opening a shot of compressed air. Re-install the idle adjusment screws all the way till they just bottom out, then back each off a turn and a half. Start engine and finish adjusting the them for smoot idle. I assume you know the adjusting procedure? Call me if you need.
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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback
badali
Full Member
Platinum
USA, Pa, Butler
Posts: 1067
1966 230SL
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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May 30, 2024, 20:55:47 »
I finally got back to it today. It runs and idles great now.
I rechecked the idle jets and ran a tiny wire through them. They were still a little plugged. I didn't run a wire through them the first time since I thought they looked clean after I sprayed carb cleaner through them. Thanks Joe!!
This car has been what got me started into Mercedes back in 1987 when I was 21. The car always needs a little tinkering and will never be perfect but I really like driving the 4 speed on the column. A year and a half ago I replaced the transmission and adjusted the linkage and it shifts well. One of these days I will get to the valve guide seals so I won't have to keep changing spark plugs...
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Brad
1961 220 Sb
1966 230 SL (Sold)
2019 E 450 4 Matic
2022 GLC 300 4 Matic
ja17
Full Member
Platinum
USA, OH, Blacklick
Posts: 7414
Re: 1961 220Sb stalls when choke is pushed in.
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Reply #10 on:
June 03, 2024, 05:46:51 »
Good job Brad,
Find some ethanol-free gasoline to put in it before you store it for the winter this fall to prevent more problems. You can go back to running your ethanol gas the rest of the time.
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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1969 Dark Olive 280SL
2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
1998 E430
1974 450SLC Rally
1965 220SE Finback
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