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K-Jet

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Re: Engine starting aid failed and confused
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2024, 14:41:30 »
It does- it came out by light pushing. Its surface has some parallel scratching, but it moves under much less force than what the rod provides.
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Re: Engine starting aid failed and confused
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2024, 21:24:25 »
A little more noodling as I try to understand what’s happening. I lightly greased the piston and bore, then temporarily reassembled the WRD. Repeated the hot water test, this time for the whole assembly rather than just the temperature sensing cell. Got similar results. Extension is from shaft end to shoulder (where the shaft emerges from the housing). Obviously the temperature of the part lags the water temperature, but this gives a sense of what’s happening.

Temp F      Extension (mm)
80         8.6
90         8.6
100         8.6
110         8.6
120         9.5
130         9.9
140         10.2
150         10.6
160         10.9
170         11.2
———————————80C (176F) thermostat temperature
180         11.7
190         12.3
200         12.9
210         13.4

I was mistaken- the shaft to the fuel pump does not get full extension (15.8mm) at maximum temperature, though I confirmed the air passage was closed at max temp.

The nose of the WRD protrudes 14.0mm into the injection pump. The lever inside the injection pump rests 14.4mm inside, and at full travel is at 29.0mm from the mounting plane of the WRD. Which means that at 80F the lever inside the pump should be moved by (14.0 + 8.6) - 14.4 = 8.2mm

At thermostat temperature, injection pump arm is moved by (14.4 + 11.5) - 14.4 = 11.3mm. Lots of room to go further (29 -  11.3 = 17.7mm)!

I reassembled the WRD wet section with some Hylomar to ensure the water seal of the temperature cell. I have not reinstalled it yet.

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Dru
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1990 250D 5-speed "Opa"
1995 E220T Sportline "Sport Kombi"
1980 911SC Targa "Petrol"

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Re: Engine starting aid failed and confused
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2024, 06:21:02 »
Assemble and install it. Check the air filter on it also to make sure it is not clogged!
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Re: Engine starting aid failed and confused
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2024, 16:25:54 »
I did blow through the air passage when apart. No obstruction when open, completely shut down when closed.

Reinstalled the WRD and I still get 800 rpm (or less) on cold start. No difference.

I have emailed Herr Fritzsche to see if he can add light to the situation.
Dru
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1971 280SE "Beverly"
1990 250D 5-speed "Opa"
1995 E220T Sportline "Sport Kombi"
1980 911SC Targa "Petrol"