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Air conditioning
« on: October 28, 2005, 13:59:36 »
i have just purchased a car without air conditioning but have been able to buy an original frigiking unit, is this advisable to install this and how difficult would this be to do???? i would appreciate any help!

Tony Gray
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Re: Air conditioning
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2005, 17:13:54 »
The A/C bracket on the engine is a formidable fabrication of steel.  My guess is it weighs 12 lbs, by itself.  Did you get one of those as well?  It relocates the Alternator from the bottom to the top of the engine, holds the compressor down low and provides an idler pulley for the A/C belts.  The two belts that will require you change the pulley on the crank shaft to accommodate them.  When installed it provides some of the most frustrating bolt locations on the whole car.

I just replaced my working York compressor with a Sanden 508 unit.  It's more efficient and doesn't vibrate as much.  You also have a choice of condensors to add to the front of your radiator.  I found one that looks original but has twice the number of tubes.  But, I also have a stash of R-12 for it all.  If you use R-134, you will want a new cross-flow condenser.  All of them will put tubes in places that make your air cleaner and hood hinges even harder to play with.

Don't forget the appropriate dryer (accumulator) will need to mount on the firewall.  

Now, "Is it worth it?", you ask.  Well...it isn't impossible.  


BTW Anyone need a good used York compressor?

Ray
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Re: Air conditioning
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2005, 18:32:27 »
Tony,

This can certainly be done. There are a couple of different approaches you can take. If you take the route of using an original style compressor bracket with the standard piston(York) compressor, you're going to have to first resolve some pulley issues. If you currently have power steering, you will need to find an additional pulley for the crankshaft. The routing of belts will also require that the water pump/fan setup has provisions for routing at least two belts over it. As the previous poster pointed out,the alternator will mount up high next to the intake manifold and the compressor will mount down low where the alternator normally mounts. The original a/c bracket is big, heavy and one royal PITA to install. Primarily because almost everything needs to come off the front end of the engine to do so. If you can resolve the pulley issues and can successfully locate and mount the orignal style bracket, you have your choice of using the orignal style compressor or using an interface bracket and a newer style rotary compressor such as a Sanden 508 or 505. The rotary is highly recommended since it draws less HP and has virtually no vibration. You can avoid most of these pitfalls if you are not hung up on originality and use a "Bud's Benz style" a/c compressor bracket. This is simply a flat steel plate that fits across the front of the engine. Bud's Benz here in the US normally sells their A/C system as a complete set up including the bracket, compressor, evaporator, condensor, etc. He will sell you just the bracket if you ask. The rotary compressor, normally a Sanden, fits up top and a single belt loops the compressor, idler pulley and the one extra pulley you will need on the crankshaft. I tried the first set up I described above on my 1967 230SL and finally gave up on it because I could not resolve the pulley issues. Currently I have the second setup and it is much easier to install and works well. As far as condensors go, you again have a choice to make. If you stick with the R-12 refrigerant you can probably get away with using the original condensor. I would receommend however that you consider using R-134a because it is much more readily available and much cheaper--at least here in the US. If you go this route do yourself a big favor and go to a parallel flow aluminum condensor--readily available as an aftermarket item in a variety of sizes that will allow you to fit it and avoid any interferences with your hood or other such obstructions. The parallel flow condensors are much more efficient than the tube and fin variety commonly used with R-12. A couple of thoughts--the setup described here will put out adequate cool air to make the cockpit very comfortable on hot humid days, especially with the hardtop on. While the system with the rotary draws little noticable power from the engine, you may experience some higher engine temperatures, especially when idling in hot temperatures with the a/c running. This is not normally an issue when running at highway speeds. Finally, I've spent quite a bit of time in the UK and while I have witnessed the 4 seasons all in one day there--in East Anglia around Kings Lynn and Sculthorpe-- I never really remember the weather approaching what we get here in the Washington, D.C. area so I'm not sure an A/C system in your situation is an absolute necessity like it is here. You may want to consider how often you would actually need to use the system and trade that off with the trouble and cost of installing it. Good luck

George Des

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Re: Air conditioning
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2005, 18:39:27 »
I installed a complete air conditioning system thru Bud's Benz (www.budsbenz.com).  I was able to do it myself.  It's nice to have in the hot summers although the car water temperature would get hotter when going up a long hill after it was installed.  

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Re: Air conditioning
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2005, 22:08:26 »
Visuals of A/C bracket on the engine, compressor and pulley setup...

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Re: Air conditioning
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2005, 20:15:18 »
I believe there is another option.  Sedans of the late 60's and early 70's with ac had an ac compressor bracket that left the alternator in the normal (lower) position and positioned the ac compressor above it.  The brackets will also fit the 113 cars.  The crankshaft pulleys and the belt tensioner will also fit the 113 car.  The sedans used a york compressor that is larger than the 113 car so it would not work on the 113 car, but it can easily be replaced with a sanden unit.   Several aftermarket ac firms make an adaptor that will allow the use of a sanden rotary compressor with the MB ac bracket.  Many sources offer  condensors, evaporators and the driers that will fit the 113 car.  Just measure carefully and choose the ones that best fit your needs.  Many parts houses will fabricate custom hoses to your specifications.  They use all new ends and use factory looking crimps so the installation can be truly customized.  With a little work and planning you can have a factory looking installation that will keep you cool on the hottest days.  

If you are truly energetic you can but a combination heat and cool unit and stuff it up under the dash for a truly custom installation.  

A word of caution.  The radiator for the 230 is about 2 inches narrower than the 250 or 280 cars.  Just make sure you get a condensor that will fit your car.  

good luck

Iverson