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White Wall Debate
« on: August 01, 2003, 08:34:26 »
Alas, it is time for some new tires, and I am again at a crossroads on the Whitewall issue.

I have a 1969 280 Black, Black Hardtop and Softop, with Congac interior.

I have in the past, gone with the no-whitewall side of the tires, but from an originality standpoint, and now thinking about Whitewalls.

Many SL's (especially white and red) look much better with the Whitewalls.,,,,please give some trusted opinions on this .....

thanks,
Phil

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2003, 09:06:06 »
You mention "originality".  Does your Data Card say your car came with white wall tires?

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2003, 10:00:20 »
There's whitewalls and there's whitewalls.  The olde style very wide white walls are hideous on anything, period.  But, a thin white stripe is quite attractive, and I'd imagine on a black car it would be rather striking.

My car has Michelin Symmetry tires with a 1/2 inch wide white stripe on one side, blackwall on the other; they can be mounted either way.

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2003, 10:45:44 »
I also have Michelin Symmetry white wall tires.  After almost 3 years and about 8,000 miles they still look new at the tread.  Good tire.  The white wall is hard to keep clean on the front tires from the brake dust.  Once these dry rot or wear out, I will replace with a historically correct tire with curb strip.

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2003, 12:40:35 »
White walls. (Narrow stripe)

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2003, 14:04:06 »
I have about 10 different Minichamps 280 SL's, all different color combinations, and my favourite one by far is ........ a black one, black top, with whitewalls !!!
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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2003, 14:23:50 »
An intresting note in that Mercedes-Benz felt Americans liked the look of White Wall tires so it was offered as an option. But in Europe White wall tires were not cared for.
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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2003, 17:58:28 »

A purist would say check the data card, Phil.  And I'd say if you have an exceptionally rare original black 280SL, you're almost duty bound to respect what the data card says.  I've never seen an original black w/cognac.

Any of you who were around at the end of the W113 in 1971 will recall that the vast, vast majority of U.S. 280SLs -- I'll wager 85% -- delivered with whitewalls, even the ones with the new and seldom-seen alloy wheels.  Almost all of us eventually traded in our short-lived, wider-striped 185 Continentals and Phoenix's [Phoenices?] for thin-striped 195 Michelin X's, which looked demonstrably better while still retaining the whitewall esthetic; simply a reflection of the times.  Remember, too, that special curb ridge on the factory tires was specified by Mercedes, precisely to protect the whitewall. Whitewalls were neither an afterthought nor unrespected in Stuttgart.

The end of the whitewall era came with open alloy wheels and a European style that most Americans wouldn't embrace for years.  But for Mercedes in America, that started with the R107, not the W113.  I briefly tried blackwalls, but switched back because it just didn't look like the car Mercedes built for me

(And, Cees, I have that black-on-black whitewall model too -- it's a beauty.)


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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2003, 18:10:00 »
For those of s who have standard wheels and the painted hubcaps the white walls enhance the appearance but I am not sure they look as good with the alloy wheels

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Re: White Wall Debate
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2003, 01:44:49 »
Hi Phil,

I think there's not only one valid answer to your question. It's just a matter of personal taste. For instance, you say that white and red SL look better with the whitewalls... In my opinion: maybe for white cars, but not for red ones... (As Bob Geco comments, it seems that European and American tastes are different in this issue  :) )
As the whitewalls were a factory option for these cars (so no problem against originality standpoint), I think you have the answer: mount black or whitewall tires according to your personal taste.

The other question is the make/size/speed rating of the tire. If the whitewall means a non-original size, I would go for the original size and speed rating, and preferably with the raised curb strip (if we are also speaking about "originality", to keep the original technical characteristics of the car is -in my opinion- more important than a white line in the tires), and remember that all W113 (from the first 230 to the last 280) were factory equipped with 185 HR 14.

Regards, and good choice!

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