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Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« on: August 30, 2003, 13:39:06 »
I am getting ready to start a 1964 230SL for the first time in 6 years.  It ran well when parked.  My father in-law passed away from cancer in the final stages of completing a heroic restoration.  We have recently inherited the car and look forward to finishing the job and taking it for a spin for him.

The engine is currently locked.  I suspect due to rust.  Any ideas on preventative tasks prior to turning the key in regards to the rusted cylinders, the fuel injection pump...

Thank you!

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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2003, 23:48:41 »
To me it would make sense to try to pinpoint why the engine is locked. Was it running well before? If it is rusted cylinders, I don't think you even would want to try to start it - you may do damage to the cylinders, or to other engine components that way, that are currently still o.k. I have not had to deal with this situation myself, but I would think about lifting the cylinder head and having a look inside. I am sure others have more relevant experience, so I would say wait for some more advice.
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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2003, 07:46:44 »
Hello Royce,
The extent of the damage could be minor or complex, depending on the storage over the years or condition of the engine before storage.  First remove the fuse which runs the electric fuel pump so you do not circulate dirty contaminated, varnished fuel throughout the system. Drain the coolant, it will be acidic after all these years. Remove the spark plugs and observe as much as possible. Squirt som WD-40 or such in each cylinder. Repeat once or twice more over the next couple of days. Install a fully charged battery and attempt to turn the engine over. Leave the elec. fuel pump disconnected at the fuse. Hopefully the starter will break the engine loose. The engine oil should be drained and fresh added when the engine is free. The fuel will have to be drained and the condition of the fuel tank must be inspected for rust and water. If the engine will not free up get back with us for additional information.

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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2003, 09:50:11 »
Thanks for the suggestion on the WD-40.  I sprayed some in, let it sit and the put the car in 2nd and rocked it back a forth with moderate force and the motor moved!!

The gas tank smells badly of the old gas varnish smell.  Has anyone resealed a gas tank from rust?

Thanks,

Royce

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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2003, 12:01:15 »
I recently sealed my gas tank. It had been sitting for over 10 years and was badly rusted. Fuel pump roasted as well, but that's a different story. I used an Eastwood product that included multiple steps. There were 2 washes with different chemicles and a latex sealer. It was not difficult. Some tricks:

- The tank must be out of the car to do this. Only 4 bolts hold it in. Disconnect the overflow vents first. Remove the cover in the trunk where the fuel filler comes in to see where these connect. Take some time with a flashlight and a mirror to familiarize yourself with what's in the tank. There are small hoses and a baffle you need to be careful not to mess up. Use the fuel level sender hole as a viewing port.

- Buy a new plug for the bottom of the tank. Use the old one in the sealing process as it will get coated with the goo and be useless afterwards. I broke the screen part off.

- Get a heavy lenght of chain. Insert it in the hole at the top of the tank where the fuel level sender goes (keep this out of the tank during the process as the goo will mess it up. CAREFULLY roll the chain around in the tank to loosen the rust. Retrieve the chain and dump the loose rust out.

- Buy youself some very good acid gloves, a resporator and good eye protection. This is nasty stuff you're dealing with. Follow the directions carefully. You'll need some gallon containers like the metal ones paint thinner comes in to dispose of the used chemicals. Plastic would work too, but I think metal would be better. I have about 6 gallons of waste chemicals in my garage I have yet to figure out what to do with. You'll also need a large funnel.

- You'll be using lots of water and best to do this somewhere you don't mind dirty water getting spilled. Not something to be done in your garage or nice driveway.

- I did this project by myself, but a second set of hands to help with sloshing the stuff around in the tank would be helpful.

- You need to make sure the opening where the fuel is siphoned out does not get clogged. I used an air hose to spray it clear often. Again, take some time and really inspect how these tanks work. The pickup is down by the plug and is really clever. When you've identified the sensitive areas, you can be careful how you do the process. These tanks aren't just big barrels with a hose coming out. Those Germans have to make everything complicated. But at $800-900 for a new one, it's worth trying to restore.

- I also installed an inline fuel filter between the tank and fuel pump. The fuel pump is another very expensive part. I went to Pep Boys and got the largest canister with a paper filter I could find. Matched the hose size and just spliced it in. Seems to work well.

Hope this helps.

Bringing one of these cars back to life after a long sleep is like pulling the string on the sweater. Be prepared for problems. Don't go for any long drives for a while and always bring tool box and AAA card! Once you get the bugs out, the car should be pretty much trouble free. Mine isn't quite to that stage yet. I also have the benefit of a retired MB mechanic up the street. If you can find an old timer mechanic, buy him drinks, feed him cookies, do whatever to make him your friend. These cars are loaded with state of the art technology, from the 50s and 60s. Modern mechanics will scratch their heads when they can't find the computer port. Also, most of the parts were made to be serviced, not just replaced. This takes time and experience. Heck of a lot cheaper than a $900 fuel tank or $800 fuel pump!

Good luck.

Shawn Rock
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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2003, 12:27:14 »
Shawn,

many communities in the US now have programs for disposal of "household hazardous waste".  Sometimes on specific days, sometimes all the time at a local landfill or transfer station.  Try looking in the Government pages (city or county mostly likely) in the phone book, for things like Recycling, Solid Waste, Garbage, etc.  Or your trash pickup company might know who to call.  Often there is a recycling hotline you can call to get this kind of info.

Hope this is useful.

George Davis
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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2003, 18:01:57 »
Hello Shawn and Royce,
Sounds like you are both making good progress! The gas tank does have a pick up chamber built in the bottom of it. If your not careful you can clogg some things up when re-sealing as Shawn mentioned. The fuel line picks up fuel in theis chamber after it has been strained by the fuel plug/filter screen. Study the construction of the tank as mentioned. Make sure all fuel and vent lines are clear before re-installing. This process does work well and lasts. I like the chain idea, I always used gravel!



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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2003, 21:20:07 »
I've seen things like alternators sieze up and you will think it's the engine. Not a bad idea to take off any belts before you try turning the engine over.
I won't use WD40 for anything - the stuff is highly over rated. Ordinary engine oil , diesel fuel , trans fluid and a host of penetrating fluids will do more for you. WD is good enough for some things but not stuck engines.
The biggest thing is not to get in a hurry. You can snap a piston ring which will come back to bite you in a few months of driving. A really old engine thats been sitting for a long time unused will frequently blow a head gasket if driven very hard so if you notice the coolant going down that could be a sign. Leaks are often another problem due to dried up seals.
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Re: Starting an SL that has sat for 6 years
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 14:42:52 »
om the other hand, mine sat for eight years before I bought it last spring; dumb luck, blind faith and naivite led me to believe that some brake work (frozen rear), a  new exhaust and new tires would be all that I needed to be "good to go" ... and thus far it has, 4k miles later.

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