Author Topic: transmission shift pattern  (Read 3192 times)

piddler

  • Guest
transmission shift pattern
« on: June 17, 2007, 04:56:38 »
We were driving our "new" 230sl yesterday and I am curious about the shift pattern of the automatic.

As you probably know, the car has a 4 speed automatic. It is supposed to start out in 2nd and shift up to 4th unless the shift lever is in the 2 position and then it starts out in 1st. I start out with the lever in 2nd position and the transmission shifts twice. This seems normal. The problem is that the car is running about 3300 to 3500 rpm at about 55-60 mph. (I am judging speed by other traffic because the speedometer does not work--I think I am pretty close)Is this normal? It seems high to me.

There is a Cottmans automatic transmission shop near home. They offer free diagnosis so I might run it by there.

Any comments or suggestions appreciated, Pete

Peter van Es

  • Honorary Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • Netherlands, North Holland, Nederhorst Den Berg
  • Posts: 4074
Re: transmission shift pattern
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2007, 05:46:07 »
Pagoda's are always high-revving. This is probably not an abnormally high rpm. There are different diff ratios in cars that vary the rpms at speed somewhat.

Have a look at this thread... http://index.php?topic=6850 or this one on rpm range http://index.php?topic=6301

Peter

Check out http://bali.esweb.nl for photographs of classic car events and my 1970 280 SL
1970 280SL. System Admin of the site. Please do not mail or PM me questions on Pagoda's... I'm not likely to know the answer.  Please post on the forum instead!

J. Huber

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, CA, Cedar Ridge
  • Posts: 3061
Re: transmission shift pattern
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 07:34:06 »
Hey Pete. My 230 has the 3.75 (if yours is a euro it probably does too -- maybe all stock 230s had that?) Anyway, I'd submit your revs are close to average. The way I gauge mine is both needles point straight-up is just under 4000 and 110KM (or about 68). So 60 is probably in the 3200-3400 range.

I actually like that I hear the engine at that speed -- reminds me of my cat when he's really purring. Also at that 3200 range -- the car is ready to jump upon acceleration. Ahhh. (can you tell I am itching to take my Father's Day drive!)

James
63 230SL
James
63 230SL

graphic66

  • Guest
Re: transmission shift pattern
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 08:46:26 »
These cars are built to rev. There torque and horsepower a way up in the revs. Some owners replace the rear ratios with higher gears to satisfy the American V8 lumbering hog low reving engine syndrome. However you end up driving below the desired power band and end up with a well thought out car sluggish and doing the opposite of it's design. My 66' 230SL has the stock 4.08 and it is just music to my ears, an engine running contently at 4000 RPM down the highway. The engineers were way ahead of there time with the small cubic inch high reving engine. Todays engines rev no problem, some way over 10,000 RPM. Look at the maximum torque on an engine and you can see where it should be running. I believe the M127 developes it's max torque at about 5000 RPM  and max Horespower at 5500RPM. These engines love to rev when they are not worn out. Keep driving and you will learn to love the high rpm's and feel the power band. Remember though, as with any engine, it must be in good condition and warmed up to rev.

Rolf

  • Guest
Re: transmission shift pattern
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 12:11:42 »
Pete,

 I have a 1966 230SL and it revs about 4,000 at 70 MPH, maybe a little higher. It just "PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR'S" along.

Rolf
1966 230SL Auto
1992 300D
1991 FLHS

Mike Hughes

  • Full Member
  • Platinum
  • ******
  • USA, VA, Blue Grass
  • Posts: 1750
Re: transmission shift pattern
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 17:48:06 »
3300-3400 RPM at 55 mph and 4000 RPM at 70 is about right for a 230SL automatic.  Mine seems much happier at 70 than 55.  The engine is "on the cam," yet very smooth at that speed, so is very responsive.  Personally, the snappy exhaust note of the smaller displacement 230 engine sounds to me a lot more like a swarm of angry bees is chasing to car - which just urges one to go a little faster to escape them!

- Mike Hughes  -ô¿ô-
  1966 230SL Auto P/S
  Havanna Brown (408)
  Light Beige (181)
  Cream M-B Tex (121)

- Mike Hughes  -ô¿ô-
  1966 230SL Auto P/S
  Havana Brown (408)
  Light Beige (181)
  Cream M-B Tex (121)