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OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« on: April 29, 2009, 20:38:48 »
Found this on the Mahle-Clevite website.  In case you didn't know, Mahle makes piston rings, filters, and other stuff both OEM and aftermarket.  There is some lively discussion on parts quality, and thought you all would enjoy this.  Remember, I didn't say it, it is right from the manufactuer:

Original equipment quality  
Do you know the difference between one of our products for the original equipment market and a product for the aftermarket? You don't have to think about it, we'll tell you. The only difference is the packaging. The after-market has access to the complete program of pistons, cylinder liners, valves, bearings, piston ring sets and filters in original equipment quality.

The original equipment market standards should also be available to the maintenance and repair market – it is as simple as that.

With this successful strategy and its comprehensive product range, MAHLE – with the brands MAHLE Original, MAHLE Filter, Knecht, Metal Leve, Cofap, Izumi Clevite and Perfect Circle – has for decades been a respected partner of the trade, repair shops and engine repair shops worldwide.  Our MAHLE sales companies or our sales partners can tell you which brands are available in the respective countries.

With respect to reliability, flexibility and meeting our deadlines, we treat our original equipment and aftermarket customers the same. For engines that are becoming more and more complicated and complex, we offer our aftermarket partners quality services that are appreciated and highly rated by our trading partners around the world.


http://www.mahle.com/C12570B3006C0D49/CurrentBaseLink/W26MNKB9655STULEN
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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 00:57:48 »
Hello Guys,
Sorry to answer so late to this older topic but If you're interested into OEM engine parts side let me tell you that MAHLE was indeed supplying the Pistons back in the 60 to 70-ties to Mercedes-Benz. Also we supplied all the engine Filters together with Mann & Hummel, Bosch and Hengst to Mercedes, so yes, we are holding a huge part of OEM share on the older Mercedes cars.
I must know as I am the MAHLE Clevite Export Manager.
I am not trying to sell you my parts, I am more stating a fact. Also my sales are for export and not for local business.
so long,
Enzo

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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 01:13:46 »
Enzo,

Thanks for the supporting clarification. However, as I tried to open the ling shown at the bottom of Michael's thread, it does not appear to be working. Could you kindly point out to a workable website we could use to have aloof at your products.
Thanks
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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 01:54:26 »
The homepage has changed to www.us.mahle.com
If you would require assistance in finding parts for European classics I can have a look.
By the way, my Pagoda SL runs with our Filters, luckyly no need to change engine parts so far.
MAHLE purchased the majority of BEHR shares this month, you may find also here parts in your classic car.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 09:19:55 »
Enzo,
many thanks for that indication. I am sure that if digger out properly, some parts could be tracked down some Behr parts. I am currently having my cvar restored, so i will ask my mechanic to have a look :)
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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2013, 13:10:34 »
Stan,

That was a very old thread but I doubt the reality or content changed.  The premise was made by a mechanic (who made a post or two and disappeared) that he only uses MB parts, branded as MB, and that for all intents and purposes, everything else was sub-par.  He based this on his "vast years" of experience.

I questioned the vast generalization because it didn't fit reality.  I used Bosch and Mahle as examples, and the quote from the Mahle website mirrors that from Bosch.  On the production line of parts, nobody knows what color box the final part goes into.  Mahle has only one quality; same for Bosch, and their reputation rides on this.  So, the fuel pump I got directly from Bosch was exactly the same as one I could have bought from MB (but at a vastly lower price.)  The same goes for factory remanufactured starters and alternators from Bosch, and new electrical components.  Ditto for the Mahle parts--if you were to buy pistons or rings or something.

The fly in the ointment, I've come to discover, is that there are some resellers selling "factory rebuilt" parts, such as alternators, that are not rebuilt in a Bosch factory...so that is something entirely different.

You just have to do your homework and share your findings here, if you choose, as things change.  Parts are not getting much easier to find...
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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2013, 17:31:31 »
Many of the replacement parts are very competitive from Mercedes and one should always compare prices with them. Ebay parts are in most case higher priced since the sellers know that most buyers assume the original parts are more expensive. I just compared the price of 2 fuel hoses and the seller on Ebay wanted $128.00 plus shipping and the exact same parts from MB are $38.00! DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE!!!
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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2013, 19:04:27 »
Michael and Jack

You summarized very well the overall experience that can only be helpful in the haunt for spares. I realized that only verified or recommended sources by trusted people make sense.

On the other hand, on many occasions I noted that e-bay can be a trap. Not only because the merchandise does not correspond to the description and/or picture, but also because it is like gambling. The item is there, so people that like gambling enjoy betting, and often the price paid is well over "traditional" sources, be that MB or SLS etc etc.   

I recently saw somme grommets for w113 at nearly 20 Euro for the set of 3, while at SLS the same are at 2 Euro piece. No need to understand the theory of relativity to realize that the stuff is overpriced. An we are speaking about peanuts here, but when it comes to source rare and expensive piece, you could rapidly get convinced that our Pagodas are made of some precious metals ;D

Last point: elsewhere on the site I just exchanged messages about body parts (steel and chrome) that are made actually by a guy in Poland. He distributes them either on eBay or through resellers. Depending on the reseller, the  savings of direct sourcing can be between 25and 70%. If you want, I am happy to send his catalogue with prices I just got recently from him.



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Re: OEM Parts Quality - Mahle
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 13:01:39 »
Many of the replacement parts are very competitive from Mercedes and one should always compare prices with them. Ebay parts are in most case higher priced since the sellers know that most buyers assume the original parts are more expensive. I just compared the price of 2 fuel hoses and the seller on Ebay wanted $128.00 plus shipping and the exact same parts from MB are $38.00! DO YOUR HOMEWORK PEOPLE!!!

That's a bit of a generalization, I think.

MB is generally competitive on parts where there are multiple sources--but not always.  Multiple sources include, of course, either 3rd party parts, or reproduction parts or similar.  So, fuel lines and hoses?  They may be competitive on some of these.  However, you can get factory-rebuilt starters and alternators from MB, in the gray box, and you can get the same from a number of Bosch authorized resellers in the yellow box.  As you say, compare prices...MB in the past, has been considerably higher on those electrical parts.  So high as to be, at the time I checked, "not competitive".

There are multiple vendors for things like water pumps, and many suspension parts, and of course it pays to do your homework on quality as well as price.  Some years ago, a lower control arm grease cap (small rubber piece) was torn on my car.  It was not sold separately from MB, and moreover, because MB didn't want you to replace this one at a time, the lower control arm "kit" to do it was sold in pairs.  To officially get that grease cap, I would have had to buy two control arm kits, to the tune of many hundreds of dollars.  Miller's sold me a reproduction grease cap, just one, for $4.95. Of course, a lot of suspension parts on the W113 were used in considerably larger quantities on sedans, so a thriving market developed for aftermarket parts.

On proprietary parts, (think some trim, grill star, etc.) MB can be alarmingly costly.  I think a grill star is in excess of USD $1,200 now--but short of a used one, or NOS that someone wants to dump, they are your only source.  If it were not for the trademark issue, it would be reproduced by others and the cost would be out of the stratosphere and somewhat more down to earth.

We have a good list of vendors here, in the USA there's K&K, Millers, Bud's that deal in parts, and some of the other places (SL Tech, Black Forest) can help with some parts in addition to service.  There are many online parts sellers, such as AutohauzAZ.  Internationally, Dan Caron, SLS have great reputations.  I personally only go to eBay for an obscure used part not available elsewhere; there are just too many good people out there serving this community with good reputations, and that's the first choice.

As you say, do your homework...which is why I sometimes cringe when I need a part, knowing I've got a lot of homework ahead of me... :(
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 15:39:12 »
Well put Michael.

The key is to be a knowledgeable consumer and realize that just because somebody states the part is "Rare" or "No Longer Available" does not mean it is so. All manufactures offer there parts based on what the market will pay. Parts that are widely used in different models tend to be attractive to the aftermarket and this tends to drive down the price whereas exclusive parts are used to make up the losses. Some parts are available direct from the OE manufacturer (Bosch etc.) and others are offered by companies that specifically target high volume replacement parts and some of these can be very poor quality. There are lots of Chinese parts available and you generally get what you pay for.
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Mahle pistons
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2013, 17:24:21 »
Quote
Sorry to answer so late to this older topic but If you're interested into OEM engine parts side let me tell you that MAHLE was indeed supplying the Pistons back in the 60 to 70-ties to Mercedes-Benz.


Bought three sets of Mercedes pistons part no. 127 030 85 17 (M127 II, 1st piston generation, 82.5 mm diameter, 2nd oversize) the other year (2011) and
of course those are (still) made by Mahle.
The new pistons look exactly like the old ones from 1964 and carry the identical Mahle casting number inside as the old ones.

Besides, I have not yet come accross any pistons made by "Kolbenschmidt" or other manufacturers for our cars - at least not supplied from MB.


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