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dseretakis

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spark plug cleaner
« on: June 24, 2009, 01:02:35 »
What do you all think of these pneumatic spark plug cleaners.

http://www.mactools.com/product/tabid/120/p-320129-spc12a.aspx

While trying to get my 280SL running right I keep fouling the plugs. I'm on my 4th set and this is getting expensive.  Is this an OK tool.  Will it ruin the plugs?

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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 02:24:17 »
Here's a before and after using one of those.  Just make sure to blow out the tip with an air gun when you're finished just to be sure all the media is out.

Enjoy some pictures at this link:
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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 02:40:30 »
Nice photos! Thanks.  So I've heard 2 things about this technique. First, that only glass media should be used because of conductivity issues that may be caused by other medias. Second, that media blasted plugs re foul-faster.  Any experience with any of these issues?

Here's a before and after using one of those.  Just make sure to blow out the tip with an air gun when you're finished just to be sure all the media is out.



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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 04:11:43 »
I'm not a really big fan of those things. I believe they use sand to lightly blast the spark plug clean. As long as you really clean it well it might be OK but becarefull and blow the spark plug off with air afterwards. Use a little bit of anti sieze on the plug threads and start by hand first. Never start with your wrench.

. In most cases I've found it's either too much fuel or oil leaking into the cylinders. I'm working on a 190SL right now and it will foul out number 3 spark plug in 10 miles. The plugs look great at first* but the longer I drive the car the worse it runs. I checked everything I could think of and found nothing. And I mean nothing wrong with fuel pump, carbs, manifolds, ignition system, fuel filter, cam timing and several other things. Nothing - nothing anywhere !

This is what I found during testing:
While doing a compression test I found that 1 and 2 were 155 PSI. Number 3 and 4 were 185 and 175 which is far higher than normal. The head is freshly rebuilt but someone put the wrong valve giudes in there and it's drinkig oil. The strange thing is, it doesn't smoke while running. The high compression is caused by all the oil leaking into the cylinders. That much oil leaking in actually caused a lean miss at cruising speed. The burning oil raised cylinder temps and could have scored the cylinder walls if gone unoticed. This engine would never run right.

After I pulled the head off I could see where the oil was running down from the exhaust valve guide, through the port and right into the cumbustion chamber. These heads are similar in design to the 113 heads so they will both burn oil that way. In the case of the 113 engine you won't get a lean miss fire due to fuel injection but you can get fouling from oil. The plug won't be wet but will be fairly dry with blackish deposits all over the place. The art of reading spark plugs is almost like reading tea leaves but it can be learned.

The main problem ( in this particular case ) is you won't see a clean plug or major build up that happens over time, because in this case, it happens in a few miles. The oddest thing about all of this is a worn out engine tends not to foul out plugs as quickly, so I must assume that compression ratio plys a part in this. In other words, a tight cylinder that's holding good compression but is being feed a steady diet of raw oil, will screw up very quicly. One that's worn out can drink all the oil you can pour into the crank case because it will leave the engine as smoke and unburned droplets. The low compression keeps the cylinder temps down and cylinder wall scoring really shouldn''t happen, or allready did a long time before ( which in this case could be weeks or even years later )

Bottom line. If you have good compression and your engine is using a lot of oil, you need to look into it. It will almost always be the cylinder head that's at fault. A worn out engine will use oil and a new rebuild shouldn't.
 
I also go by the way the engine smells.
 If it's really rich it will burn your eyes. Turn the engine off and get way from your car if you are inside - it could kill you.
Slightly rich will simply smell like unburned fuel  - it's easy to spot.
A prefectly running engine will have a slightly tangy smell almost like the smell of racing fuel as a stock cars starts up. It's a very distinctive odour. It's similar to the smell of a car with a cat converter only sweeter.
in the case of heavy oil burning - well it smells like burning oil.

The engine that burns just the right amount of oil will kind of stink. It will smell like it has old gas in the tank - not that really sweet smell like very old fuel; more like a dirty, old, skanky smell.

Engines are a sort of thing where you hear things, you see things, feel things and smell things. I can stand at the E testing station at our local operation and tell which cars will pass, and which ones won't. They all have modern systems on these cars but the ones that don't pass stink and the ones that do are sweeter than a babys breath.
When your car is dialed it will have that certain smell I described. Once you know what it smells like, you won't mistake it.

* That was a major clue. The plugs were prefectly clean after a short run because everything was working properly. The problem was inside of the engine where I couldn't see it. 10 miles later the plugs were black and fouled. If the engine was too rich, the plugs would have been black ( too rich ) on first inspection. The longer the engine ran the more time all that oil had a chance to coat the spark plugs until they quit working.
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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 12:24:17 »
Dan, thanks for the explanation of your recent experience.  What's your "read" on the plugs I showed above?
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
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1961 190 SL 23K miles
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1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 12:50:43 »
I can't say. I'm having problems with my computor and I can't see pictures very well. I know what's wrong with it but I can't fix it.  I'm a little bit better on cars.
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC

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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 13:28:54 »
I can't say. I'm having problems with my computor and I can't see pictures very well. I know what's wrong with it but I can't fix it.  I'm a little bit better on cars.

Well, thanks for the effort.  Have fun this weekend and say "hi" to my 190 SL friend Larry.
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292359@N06/sets/72157603240571101/show/

John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
1966 Jaguar XKE
1971 Alfa Romeo GTV 1750

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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 17:06:48 »
Hi. Thanks, I think it should be fun.
Larry will be coming as long as he can fix his drive shaft in time. I guess the flex joint fell apart.
I think we will be having about 5 - 6 190SL's as well as a number of other cars. Maybe 20 people or more.
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC

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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 17:57:07 »
Hi. Thanks, I think it should be fun.
Larry will be coming as long as he can fix his drive shaft in time. I guess the flex joint fell apart.
I think we will be having about 5 - 6 190SL's as well as a number of other cars. Maybe 20 people or more.

I do know Larry P (Silverbeast) and he is a nice guy, but I was referring to Larry R (Blueberry) who will not have his car, but may be coming with Karl from Michigan.
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292359@N06/sets/72157603240571101/show/

John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 22:43:14 »
Both Larry P and R will be attending. Both cars are top notch but I think Rotta's car is a bit nicer.
I did about 85 % of the restoration on the Larry P car over the last 15 years. If nothing else. it's a VERY well sorted car.
 Too bad you live so far away but I do plan on having more of these events with maybe two or three per season after I get the formula right. So there will be more chances in the future.
We will be having one or two members of this forum attending simply because they live close by.
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Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC

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Re: spark plug cleaner
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2009, 22:46:21 »
Well, next year, the 190 SL convention is in Traverse City.  If that's close to you, maybe it could be one of the alternative day events.
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
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1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
1966 Jaguar XKE
1971 Alfa Romeo GTV 1750