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New noise after valve adjustment
« on: August 03, 2009, 00:58:26 »
My pagoda has had a certain amount of valve train clatter since I purchased it 14 months ago.  Last summer, my mechanic performed a valve adjustment but the clatter did not lessen.

This weekend, after thoroughly digesting the valve adjustment tour, I decided to check the clearances myself.  What I discovered was that the exhaust valves were very close to the prescribed tolerances.  (only one required a half turn to meet spec).  Three of the intake valves, however, were showing a large enough gap between the rocker arm and the cam that I could see daylight through them!

Ah! I thought, here is the source of the clatter!  I began to turn the ballpin adjusters to lessen the gap.  To my surprise, as I got near to the prescribed setting, the rocker arm began to get "wobbly" on the ballpin.  Not sure if this was "normal" I continued my adjustments and put everything back together.  I used 5 ft lbs torque on the valve cover bolts.

To my surprise, when I started the engine there was a new clacking sound I had never heard before!

Thinking I had over-tightened the valve cover bolts and that the valve cover towers were making contact with the camshaft, I loosened them a bit.......no help.

So I rolled up my sleeves and went into the engine again.  Thinking the wobling rocker arms were the source of the noise, I turned the ballpin adjusters ccw to once again increase the gap.  I stopped the ccw movement when the rocker arms were once again stable on the ballpins........Logic says that this is the same condition that I found them in so I should be returning to the original condition/noise level.

I put the valve cover back on again, hooked up the linkages again.....Crossed my fingers and turned the key......Same clack clack noise!

At this point I am stumped!  I am considering towing my car back to the mechanic at this point (although his "adjustment" was way off spec, he is the ONLY mechanic in my town who will work on a car of this age).

Would love to hear some suggestions!

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 03:49:10 »
Hello,

I would carefully examine the valve cover hold down straps. If they are too close to the camshaft, they will make a lot of noise when you re-attach the valve cover. Next remove any exceptionally loose rocker arm you notice and check it for wear. Don't get discouraged!
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Joe Alexander
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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 11:12:51 »
Are the clamping springs on the rocker arms???. ..

Largeowner

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 15:09:25 »
Hi Joe and Glen,

This morning I opened her up again specifically to check the clamping springs.  They are all in place and not interfereing with valve train movement.

What I DID find was that despite idling the car for about a minute yesterday, the valve train was remarkably dry today.  (It was sloppy with oil the first time I opened it up!).

I removed the oil spray bar, filled it with oil, and tipped it sideways to see if oil would flow out of the holes.  About 50 percent did not show any flow.

At this point, I am thinking the immediate problem (clacking noise) is oil spray bar related.  Considering either replacing the spray bar or getting it "Boiled".

The longer term problem could be worn ballpins or rocker arms.  I don't know what constitutes a "worn" rocker arm.  None of the cams show signs of wear.   Problem could also possibly be resolved by replacing the valve pressure piece.  All of these solutions require the use of a valve spring compressor.  Does anyone know where I could get one of those?

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glenn

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 03:43:08 »
The oil spray tube has to be clean with oil coming out each of the holes -15???  Clean the holes with soft wire---  I used Gunk 'Engine Flush' for five minutes on cars when I first got them to help clean the holes, etc.  I had a valve spring compressor at PUB '09.  Saves the knuckles when used a screw driver--. ..  The ball studs turn into post studs after many miles.

Largeowner

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 19:07:29 »
I used carb cleaner and very soft wire to clean out the holes.  Next I filled the spray bar with fresh oil, attached a clear plastic hose, and "puffed" until I could see oil coming out of each hole.  Put it back together, and the clacking is gone.

Alles gutt,

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glenn

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2009, 01:21:31 »
If the oil tube was crudded up, the rest of the engine-rings, etc, are probably crudded up.  Do the Gunk Motor Flush for five minutes. ..

Largeowner

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2009, 14:16:33 »
The oil and filter were done recently by me, but I agree that it could do with a good cleaning.  Thanks for your reples.

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2009, 14:39:21 »
I just did some internet research on oil flushes.  The opinion is split 50/50.  Many say that using a flush additive will block the oil pump pick-up screen and CAUSE oil leaks.  Wondering what the members' experiences have been?

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2009, 15:51:40 »
If the 'Motor Flush' loosens up enough crud to clog the oil pump strainer,---wow.  They're 1/8" or so openings.   'Flush' might have some effect on seals, o-rings, etc.  Don't know, but I'd rather have free flow to the cam bearings, valves,  and rocker arms.   Burned up engine is worse than a few, PITA leaks.

The good news is PPP   Pagoda Purring to Perfection!    Oil at the right place doing its job.

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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2009, 03:37:47 »
Storing a car with dirty oil will cause the dirt to settle and form sludge in the oil pan. Loosening this "sludge cake" up all at once can cause large quantities of dirt to move around in the engine all at once. These chunks can clog things.

I prefer some more frequent oil changes to slowly melt away the sludge.  Next oil change in 500 miles then a few at 1,000 mile intervals. Soon your engine will be clean again.

 In addion the bi-products from combustion, dirt, acids and moisture, all end up in your dirty oil and will not be eating away at your engine during long periods of storage.
Store your car with clean oil and avoid these issues.
Joe Alexander
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2002 ML55 AMG (tow vehicle)
2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
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1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: New noise after valve adjustment
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2009, 09:58:25 »
I used flushing oil once.
It was on a 110 (twin cam engine) during a routine service.
Two weeks later the car came back with worn out camshafts as the loosened deposits had blocked the oil feed jet in the head.
Never used it again!