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type of carpet underlayment ??
« on: June 27, 2011, 00:26:28 »
I am ready to install my carpet----The old felt over the tranny hump was well matted down, and was dry and very hard. (1967)  )-I scraped it off, and cut and fit new carpet jute, but did not glue down yet.  It is much thicker than the matted down jute I removed. I am worried that it might be too thick. I am trying to keep the old jute on the sides of the hump. The part in front of the shifter. It would be a hassle to change.  It is hard and dry also. I might have to change it also. I don't want to glue this until I get some opinions. Should I try to find a thinner felt? Does anyone have any ideas about what kind of underlayment to use. There is no felt that goes over the transmission access panels, so the felt really should not be thicker than the access covers. Mine is. Will it make the carpet look uneven???-      THE FACTORY MATERIAL I SCRAPED OFF LOOKED LIKE SOME KIND OF THICK TAR PAPER
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 01:18:03 »
i have a picture on my desktop  of this, but I do not know how to insert into this message
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 03:13:16 »
i have a picture on my desktop  of this, but I do not know how to insert into this message

Hit the modify button. Then click Additional Options. Under Attach, choose your file (picture). If you want to add a couple more, hit more attachments. When ready, hit Save.


If you are starting a new reply (versus modifying an old one), it is almost the same -- except you hit post instead of save.

All this is assuming your file is a good size for the site. You may have to resize. I like mine about 450 by 600 or so. Ask for help on that too if you need it.
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 03:35:55 »
i tried and it said it was too large to send. I don't how to make it a smaller file
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 03:44:28 »
OK. Are you using a Mac or a PC?
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 03:48:18 »
a pc-windows 7
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2011, 03:54:04 »
So, if you have the file visible on your desktop, try right clicking and "open with" Microsoft picture manager or Paint if you don't see the Picture Manager.

Once it opens, find the edit pictures button. You should see a Resize option. Hit it. Then it should allow you to change the width and height. I would do 600 by 450.

Now I am shooting from the hip because my directions were specifically for Windows XP but it should be similar. Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2011, 03:58:59 »
Oh and if you use Paint -- open it then the hit Image then Attributes. Select pixels button and put in the numbers. Save.
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2011, 12:17:59 »
Photo insertion aside.

I used a hair dryer to heat the old material and a putty knife to scrape it off.  I then installed Dynamat X-treme.  I used sticky velcro patches at the corners of the carpet to hold it in place. I drove it for the first time last night and the interior noise level is a noticiable improvment.  Not the difference between a road race and a library, but a worthwhile improvement. 
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2011, 13:58:40 »
i called david at bud's this morning. he said on the tranny hump they scrape all of that tar felt stuff off completley and glue the carpet right onto the metal. If not, the carpet won't be smooth. That makes sense. Now I am relieved that I can proceed. I am using a dynamat type material parts of the pan areas
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2011, 16:13:29 »
Am I fired as Picture Posting Consultant? So, at work I now have Windows 7. There's a reason why people love their Macs... but I digress.

It looks like with Windows 7, you would right click the file on your desktop, hit edit. Under home, you have a Resize and Skew option. Hit that and change pixel dimensions... Save and then go through the Pagoda Picture Posting Process (take that Glenn!)...

Try it rmmchl -- so I can know whether or not to keep my day job.

BTW -- there is not much under my transmission hump, and my (replacement) carpet fits pretty good -- a little loose. Not glued in either.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2011, 16:17:38 »
buds suggest gluing for a better look. They can get to the tranny bushings from underneath if needed in the future. mine are only a few years old. from his suggestions, i wiil glue mine iver the tranny hump
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2011, 18:44:36 »
I can't see any good reason to glue the carpet to the pans or the transmission tunnel.  If the carpet piece is made properly, it will lie quite nicely.  In addition to the shifter bushings, there are two other access panels on the tunnel that you may need to open at some point.  If you glue it down, you'll ruin the carpet if you ever have to get in there.  If you ever spill anything ugly on the floors or tunnel, you can do a much better cleaning job if you can take the carpet out.

I love the folks at Bud's Benz.  They have always been helpful and mostly reasonable on prices.  However, they can glue the carpet and send the car away and then it's the owner's problem.  If you have to destroy the carpet for any reason, they will happily sell you a replacement set. 

Think carefully before doing something permanent.
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2011, 20:25:15 »
 When my shifter bushings were replaced, my carpet (original) had literally bonded to the tunnel's mastic material through the years and was torn in the process of removal. The replacement from GAHH is a pretty good match, color wise, and is conforming to the tunnel contour over time. No glue.

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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2011, 21:36:58 »
I agree with Raymond, I would not glue the carpet down over the tunnel.  Mine is not glued, conforms with the tunnel contour and can be lifted out in one piece, which I did when I had to replace the shifter bushings.  Saved me from having to buy new carpet.

James, I would keep your day job, I think the picture posting has pushed off the side, if not the cliff.  Useful however for others that may need guidance. ;D
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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2011, 23:06:35 »
I think the picture posting has pushed off the side, if not the cliff....   Useful however for others that may need guidance. ;D

Like a lead balloon as my Dad used to say. I tend to go with Led Zeppelin...

Oh well. Happy gluing.
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 02:56:24 »
Here's a picture of what's under my carpets, tunnel and rear wells.  Lead, with foam on both sides.  Just cut, laid, formed and fit in place, not glued.  Tunnel carpet, just laid in, not glued (not fully in place in picture).  Soaks up sound and vibration.  Great stuff, if not a touch heavy.  Felt pieces on top in front to flatten floor.

Difficulty posting pictures?  Banish the thought!
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2011, 15:39:35 »
....  Lead, with foam on both sides.  ....
Where did you buy the material and what is the number for weight/square inch?
Thanks.
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Re: type of carpet underlayment ??
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 17:12:00 »
Where did you buy the material and what is the number for weight/square inch?
Thanks.

My favorite place, www.blackforestllc.com

Can't tell you the weight/sq. in.  but, the guys at BF might well know.  Ask for Michael.
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