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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #500 on: October 22, 2015, 21:09:02 »
Mike,  very nice work.  You've done a huge amount in the 24 months you've had this car.

Would you advise if you notice any change after replacing the compensating spring?   How were you able to judge if replacement was needed?

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #501 on: October 23, 2015, 07:01:40 »
Mike,  very nice work.  You've done a huge amount in the 24 months you've had this car.

Would you advise if you notice any change after replacing the compensating spring?   How were you able to judge if replacement was needed?

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Hi Oz,
Thank you, it adds up! This was a car that I was told had been completely refurbished several years ago- utter bollocks!
Body work is great, no rust and engine was clearly redone, as for the rest.....

In fact she had her "control technique" this week, the guy who did the check couldn't stop telling me how impressed he was with the car's condition- especially when we had it up on the hoist...

Looking at the tired condition of the suspension springs & trashed rubbers when I replaced them last year, I thought it's probably a good idea to do the compensating spring as well.
I also felt that given the new springs and shocks, there was something still not 100% in the feel of the ride.
The car now definitely feels tighter all round, ride feels firmer and road handling is much improved.

The other thing I've noticed is that wheel alignment is now slightly out since replacing the comp. spring. Driving on a straight road the steering wheel is slightly to the left.
I'll get this sorted out today...

Best,

Mike
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #502 on: October 23, 2015, 12:35:39 »
Hi Mike,

She looks great all around, well done! Wish my engine bay would sparkle like yours :) perhaps in a year or two (time permitting I'll get there), I will start this winter to devote plenty of free time to my engine bay.

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #503 on: October 23, 2015, 20:35:32 »
Thanks Dieter!
I semi-retired last year which has given me the opportunity to devote a lot more time to her and get her into shape.
I'm reasonably "technically minded", but up until 2 years ago I had never worked on a car before, thanks to the wealth of information and amazing support available on this forum, I've managed to do all of this work on my own...

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #504 on: October 23, 2015, 22:46:44 »
Hi Mike,

I have a love/hate relationship with cars like yours and many others, including those I saw up close at PUB2015.  I love them because they are beautiful and provide incentive for me to finish mine.  I hate them because I'm jealous that mine is so far from being finished - springtime at least.

Anyway, today I finished a project that I didn't expect to do at all.  Earlier this week, I pulled my 1966 or 67 (not sure which) 230SL steering column off the shelf to reinstall it, but when I turned the shaft, it sounded and felt like someone had filled the steering shaft bearings with sand.  I am amazed that there is so little detailed information in our TM and in the BBB, Haynes, Chilton's and even on the other Mercedes sites regarding the insides of the steering column.  There's lots of stuff on the steering wheel and steering gear, but not on the column insides.

I pulled off the Steering Coupling near the Steering Gear end of the shaft, then the Multifunction Switch and then pried off the Horn Contact Ring.  All fine so far, but then I unscrewed the two socket head cap screws that hold the Bearing Ring to the column.  I heard lots of metallic tinkling sounds inside the column housing as parts dropped away from the Bearing Ring, deeper into the column housing - to wit: the two pieces of the Lock Ring, the two small springs and the two large square nuts that hold it all together on the ends of the socket head cap screws.

I had no idea how it all fit together, so I went to all the above resources to find out.  No Luck!  Even the EPC sketches are too small and without enough detail to help.

Anyway, I cleaned everything and inspected and repacked the upper and lower bearings, then I even unbent the tabs, disassembled, repacked and reassembled the the little stamped-race bearing between the steering wheel and the horn contact ring.  All the bearings were dry and rattled, but not damaged at all.

I even remade the nylon washers and fitted some other washers to rebuild the Steering Coupling, since I couldn't find them anywhere.  Wasted gas and google time looking for them.

Finally, this afternoon, I got it all back together and the shaft turns smoothly and so silently that I can not not only see and hear the turn signal return perfectly equally in both directions, but I can even hear the tiny turn signal tab re-cocking itself when it reaches the point where the turn signal will return once the wheel is turned back to almost center.  The centering of the wheel and the turn signal return points are much better now than they have ever been, at least since I bought it in 1987.

Unfortunately, I didn't take any photos, so if anyone decides to take on this project and needs help, I'll be glad to annotate your photos to help put it back together.  I'm not going to take mine apart again just to take photos.  The Lock Ring pieces with the square nuts and springs are not difficult, unless you don't know how they are supposed to be oriented.  It took me two or three hours to figure it all out with several restarts without any documentation or pre-disassembly photos.

Don't hesitate to ask if anyone needs help.

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« Reply #505 on: October 24, 2015, 03:39:18 »
Here's how my project is coming together.


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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #506 on: October 24, 2015, 07:39:41 »
Hi,

Great pictures that shows attention to details not often seen on restorations.
I noticed the paintless sections for the mass connections in the engine compartment, well done.
Look forward to more pics of your project as it progresses.
Excellent work!

Hans
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« Reply #507 on: November 08, 2015, 14:23:40 »
Well, today I attacked the passenger side window; the smaller of the two guides had come off so needed to be re-epoxied on. Figured I would do the other one at the same time, as that was looking a bit tired as well. I did not mess with any of the adjustments and all went back together well, until I decided to make one tiny adjustment and **** KABAANG!!!! **** the window broke into the usual thousand little pieces that went flying everywhere. Bit disappointing since I was sure I had left the adjustments alone, but there you have it. Will check with the Geneva MB dealer on the cost of a replacement, SLS has the (green tinted) for €220 or so.
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« Reply #508 on: November 08, 2015, 16:08:55 »
Sorry to hear about your glass breakage.   My front glass which is clear is being swapped out for tinted.  If anyone needs clear glass please contact Gernold as these will be for sale.

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #509 on: November 08, 2015, 20:28:02 »
Glass won't normally break unless you touch up against with a sharp metal object. Where were you working when it broke?
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« Reply #510 on: November 08, 2015, 23:21:12 »
It was really strange Dan - I had already closed the door a bunch of times, glass fit well and tight. What I then wanted to do was move the rear part of the glass just a tad closer in, and I loosened the top screw of the rear rail, the one that you access from the rear outside of the door, under the door rubber, near the top. Loosened it, then moved it inwards by hand by maybe 1-2 mm, which seemed to go easy, and that's when I suddenly got the glass shower. There must have already been loads of tension in the glass, and this was the final straw. That's my theory anyway. I wasn't touching the glass with anything at the time.
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #511 on: November 09, 2015, 00:51:25 »
Sorry to hear about your misfortune Cees, hope you find a replacement at a reasonable price.

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« Reply #512 on: November 09, 2015, 13:10:12 »
Wow Cees,
I feel reassured that I'm not the only one that has that happen.
My dad simply closed the door rather hard and the glass shattered.
I found that the tiny u shaped chrome piece on the top of the door at the front twisted too much when he cranked the window shut.
Too much force on the handle pushed the glass all the way to the top and the holding frame twisted, pushing the glass tight against a sharp edge.
When closing the door the glass rattled and shattered.
Pretty sure many of you have those linear scratches along the leading edge of your windows.
That is the cause.
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #513 on: November 09, 2015, 20:39:20 »
Cees,
Give our friend in Poland a call (Stan's friend) I purchased a RH door glass from him a lot cheaper than anyone else.
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #514 on: November 09, 2015, 21:20:02 »
Thanks for the tip Eric, will follow up.
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #515 on: January 17, 2016, 05:59:40 »
Today was a big day in my garage - I finished the second of two mini projects and moved my car onto the hoist.   

I have a stationary hit and miss motor that hadn't run since the 70s that I had to get running again just to see if I could and I have an early 80s Honda outboard that was left for dead 6 years ago due to salt water corrosion.  I pulled them both out of the shed and decided to get them both running before I put them back in.  If they were dead they would go for scrap but if...just if they were still good I would keep them.     Happy to report both are running efficiently and I was able to put them back into storage in my garage to make space so I can pull my car up onto the hoist now and do my annual spring time (here is wishful thinking) maintenance and rust preventative application, paint touch up and overall analysis.  They should stop salting the streets in several weeks and it'll be time to drive.   

On Friday drove to Canadian Tire and saw three Pagodas within a block - must be a relocated mechanic in the area - all cars were rough.
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #516 on: January 17, 2016, 07:30:03 »
I use silicone on door glass sliders - never glue or epoxy them on or it may not come off if you need to remove it.


  Hit and miss engine you say? What make? I have a Gray built about 1913 and a couple of FM engines that were designed to pump oil wells. One is a 8 - 10 HP which is fairly large. My first real experience working on engines when I was about  15 years old. 
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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #517 on: January 18, 2016, 14:44:41 »
This weekend, drove my 280SL home from Joe Alexander's, after some maintenance:

New Stainless exhaust system (Timevalve)
New Timing Chain
Cleaned all injectors, replaced bad one
Replaced all shifter bushings upper and lower
Oil/filters changed
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Replaced Neutral Safety Switch cable
Replaced brake pedal light switch bushing

Runs like a dream, and got it back in the garage while it was still 47 degrees and dry.  4 degrees this morning.

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #518 on: January 20, 2016, 15:12:12 »
Find first some rust and then holes  8)
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« Reply #519 on: January 20, 2016, 18:52:25 »
New headlight doors and a pair of NOS Bosch H4 7" (NLA) Headlights. Almost as bright as the Hella's I removed but I think they look a lot better cosmetically. Remind me more of the euro glass with the big "Bosch" logo. Everything else is Bosch so why not!
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« Reply #520 on: January 31, 2016, 22:16:01 »
Fitted new sump gasket, was not leaking but could detect 50 year old gunk with my finger through
the drain plug opening, all back together nice and clean.Cheers. Mike.

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« Reply #521 on: February 11, 2016, 14:10:38 »
Built 18 drawers for my new workbench so I can finally get sorted and get going on my suspension. only 16 more to go!

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« Reply #522 on: February 15, 2016, 07:44:37 »
I live on a dirt road and it is currently very corrugated.  I started to hear a rattle under the car as I was driving so slid under and checked out the exhaust fitting as it sounded like an exhaust knocking both front and rear.  Did not find anything wrong so took it to a Mechanic to get it up on a hoist.

Glad I did. Turns out my Petrol pump was rattling around in the Flower Pot and not only that but at the front the Radiator strap had broken on one side as well and needed refixing. 

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Re: What have you done to your Pagoda today?
« Reply #523 on: February 27, 2016, 01:16:54 »
I helped Tyler to remove the hood from his 250SL, took us about 15 minutes.
But then he swapped the 009 distributor on my 280SL for a new 123 distributor and that took about 2 hours.
We decided to leave the "infamous spring" out.
Car runs perfect, thanks Tyler!
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« Reply #524 on: February 27, 2016, 02:45:48 »
Thanks Alfred, I think we spent most of that time looking for the MIA hex wrench!  I forgot I put it in the trunk so I could do rack adjustments on the road!
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